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(51,632 posts)volstork
(5,403 posts)Guillotine! Guillotine!
dembotoz
(16,843 posts)Is probably gop
Orange Free State
(611 posts)calimary
(81,507 posts)These are very weird times. I shake my head in increasing disgust every day. And the next day it grows steadily worse. Wonder when we get to the guillotine phase, and what (or who) that guillotine will be?
FirstLight
(13,364 posts)I'm just waiting for the other shoe to drop it seems...
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)It's what they deserve.
enki23
(7,790 posts).
Corgigal
(9,291 posts)We're armed to the teeth, when they figured out who screwed them. Even if they can't afford health insurance and lose someone they love.
I hope the rich leave the country. Shit us gonna fly.
Le Gaucher
(1,547 posts)Last edited Wed Dec 20, 2017, 12:54 AM - Edit history (1)
Towards minorities.
keithbvadu2
(36,933 posts)Blue_true
(31,261 posts)With help from the likes of Susan Sarandon and Cornell West.
rpannier
(24,339 posts)One of them, too much faith that its not the institutions that are failing them (English Rebellion of 1381.)
The other, are when members or groups within the ranks of the rebellion (either out of fear or for personal gain) betray the cause
Gabi Hayes
(28,795 posts)Can't get it to display directly, but I think youll find it...........
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C_AK1dUWAAAfOq_?format=png
Buns_of_Fire
(17,197 posts)Efficient. I like that.
BigBearJohn
(11,410 posts)Cryptoad
(8,254 posts),,, not near a big mess to clean up!
A Garrote on every town square!
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,045 posts)bucolic_frolic
(43,308 posts)Often rulers are feared when they shake down a whole country or society. Some royal houses rule for awhile and resurface hundreds of years later. Quests to regain power can last generations.
We in this country don't really think about the deposed monarchies, but students of history know the facts but perhaps don't often connect Borgia's, the Glorious Revolution, Louis XVI, the Revolutions of 1848, the Romanov's - or the leaders who opposed oppression such as Garibaldi.
Politically induced economic shakedowns have occurred throughout history. We're overdue, and such a time is about to be visited upon us. Hunker down and focus on survival. It's all little people can do.
C_U_L8R
(45,021 posts)in the town square for all to see.
That's what becomes of fascists.
Woodycall
(259 posts)After they beat and shot him......
burrowowl
(17,652 posts)Electric chairs, very Amurican!
dchill
(38,545 posts)Mr Mueller, it's not too soon. Don't wait until it's too late!
Sophia4
(3,515 posts)Taxation is a burning issue in many revolutions and it was a significant cause of grievance in late 18th century France. National debt and personal taxation were economic dilemmas that plagued French leaders, who pondered how to lessen the former without increasing the latter. There was little scope for reducing debt, thanks to decades of fight-now-pay-later foreign policy and profligate spending by the royal court. In the meantime Frances people, especially the farmers and workers in the Third Estate, suffered under one of the highest-taxing regimes in Europe. The level of taxation in France was significantly higher than in Britain because French trade interests were smaller, so income from tariffs and customs duties pumped less revenue into the treasury. Now, the ancien regime had reached a point where temporary measures and patch-up responses could no longer be used; a serious overhaul of the taxation system was essential.
It is ironic that France decided to involve itself in the revolution in America that was sparked by unfair taxation, because the French leadership had themselves imposed an inequitable tax regime on her people, particularly those in the Third Estate who seemed to carry most of the burden. Personal taxes like the taille (a direct tax levied on each family, based on the amount of land owned) the gabelle (a state duty payable on salt, then an important commodity) the capitation (a poll tax) and the vingtieme (a one-time tax to ease the state deficit) were compulsory for all members of the Third Estate but members of the clergy and the nobility were either exempt from these or were able to subsequently claim exemption using the parlements. In addition to state taxes the peasants were also liable for a one-tenth contribution to the church (the tithe) as well as seigneurial dues. Meanwhile the two privileged classes managed to avoid most if not all personal taxation. The church had a particularly light taxation burden: it paid a voluntary contribution to the state every five years called the don gratuit (free gift) though this was neither regulated or compulsory. The nobility paid no personal taxation because it was said that, as representatives of a military elite, they paid their taxes in service and in blood.
It was not only that the nations system of taxation was unfair: it was also irrational and highly inefficient. There were many indirect taxes that had to be paid by everybody: various excises, customs duties and levies, each of which had been tacked on to revenue policy haphazardly, one after the other as the need for greater revenue dictated
there was no single fiscal plan. And the taxes themselves were collected not by government officials but contracted tax-farmers, many of whom were either notoriously corrupt or hilariously incompetent. There were several attempts in the 1700s to reform the taxation system, both to make it more efficient and to allow the nobility to share some of the burden; however the parlements, which had a reputation for protecting and preserving aristocratic interests, generally proved impassable. Louis XVI turned to successive financial ministers to solve his debt crisis but this had little impact, finally resulting in the Assembly of Notables.
http://alphahistory.com/frenchrevolution/taxation/
History repeating itself.
nocoincidences
(2,230 posts)Turbineguy
(37,372 posts)And it will work. The uprising masses will shoot the wrong people. Fox News will see to that.
Different Drummer
(7,649 posts)The Wizard
(12,549 posts)without head baskets. Mussolini exit strategy on the horizon?
Ilsa
(61,698 posts)Channeling Madame Defarge.