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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe obvious answer is for everyone here to 'adopt' or befriend a Trump Supporter.
If that black guy can convince members of the KKK to give up their robes, than certainly everyone here knows a Trump supporter that they can 'turn'. It just means you have to find out what their 'currency' is and smother them with it. We know Trump's currency is 'praise' and 'flattery'. Offer to let your Trump-loving neighbor 'read' your newspaper when you're through with it, (as a source of enlightenment) and then later chat with him or her about the politics section. You can start by informing him regarding the lack of "reform" included in what was 'supposed' to be a 'Tax Reform' Bill, but ended up simply as a 'Tax Cut' Bill a fact which the president readily admitted today. He even said he forbad the people involved to even mention the word "reform"
Let him know what the Faux News Channel won't tell him, like how 83% of the tax cut goes to the top 1% and ten years from now, it will be 93% of the tax cut. Back up your statements with facts; something that more likely than not is certainly in short supply with Trump supporters.
dchill
(38,493 posts)They're unadoptable.
gopiscrap
(23,761 posts)Demtexan
(1,588 posts)They will have to suffer like the rest of us.
RobinA
(9,893 posts)this response. I've tried this in a very elementary way just in talking. Facts don't change their minds. Their own LACK of facts for a given position doesn't change their minds. Them - "Obama is anti-police." Me - "What did Obama say or do that makes you think he is anti-police?" Them - "I don't know but (other person) thinks so." This is an actual conversation, by the way. They hate newspapers because the Trumpsters have convinced them that the press is the enemy. The New York Times could print that tomorrow will have more minutes of daylight than today and people I know who hate, hate, hate the NYT because they've been told to will call it fake news.
I feel very hopeless right now. I don't see a path by which people can become educated, even on an extremely basic level, on how things work so they can vote with at least a modicum of good sense. I don't know how this ends in a good way.
mercuryblues
(14,531 posts)I have talked to trump lovers, they agree with facts about something and how what they said couldn't be true. I kid you not the next day he repeated the same lie as fact, despite knowing and agreeing the facts were the opposite.
Demtexan
(1,588 posts)Some will come around but most will not.
They will never admit they made a mistake.
JustAnotherGen
(31,823 posts)I'm not aware of the background on this.
tblue37
(65,357 posts)JustAnotherGen
(31,823 posts)I don't have any of those people in my circle and I'm too busy trying to Flip the 7th this year to take the time to find them.
Freedomofspeech
(4,224 posts)And never care to be again. Screw that...
hatrack
(59,587 posts)You go ahead and waste your time, because I already know what the answer will be.
milestogo
(16,829 posts)mreilly
(2,120 posts)... I have a friend who is a Trump supporter and this is how he handles ANY uncomfortable facts he doesn't like; by manufacturing a universe with these iron-clad rules:
1. All Republicans are wonderful, perfect people who never, ever do anything wrong.
2. All Democrats are evil, nasty people who never, ever do anything right.
3. Anything which makes a Republican look bad is fake news. Nope, totally fake. No need to evaluate the source. No need to examine the details. IT IS FAKE. PERIOD. HE KNOWS SO.
4. Anything which makes a Democrat look good is fake news. Nope, totally fake. No need to evaluate the source. No need to examine the details. IT IS FAKE. PERIOD. HE KNOWS SO.
5. CNN has been proven to lie 100% of the time - as in they have never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever EVER reported anything factual. NEVER. IT'S ALL FAKE.
6. Right-wing media has been proven to be truthful 100% of the time - as in they have never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever EVER reported anything incorrect. NEVER. IT'S ALL TRUE.
7. Anyone promoting any view which is critical of a Republican is just some bleeding heart angry liberal snowflake angry that Hillary lost and brainwashed by CNN. PERIOD.
8. Anyone promoting any view which is critical of a Democrat is a truth-telling red-blooded American patriot who knows that Donald Trump is the messiah. PERIOD.
9. It isn't possible for anyone to provide any evidence that precious, wonderful Donny Trump ever did anything wrong. Nope, not possible. NO.
10. Hillary and Bill Clinton single-handedly committed more crimes than Al Capone and murdered more people than Adolf Hitler. PERIOD. PROVEN. END OF DISCUSSION.
11. Everything good in this country is because of Republicans. PERIOD. END OF STORY.
12. Everything bad in this country is because of Democrats. PERIOD. END OF STORY.
Please tell me how in the world you are going to get past those 12 rules?
TrishaJ
(798 posts)is incapable of rational thought. Too much brainwashing from FOX, Limbaugh, you name it. I'm actually seeing this. They really believe that the Russia investigation is a Democrat witch hunt and the FBI is corrupt and trying to engineer a coup.
MAGATs (Make America Great Again Trumpsters) are too far down the rabbit hole to be "saved."
KG
(28,751 posts)MineralMan
(146,308 posts)Demtexan
(1,588 posts)I do have any republican friends.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)phylny
(8,380 posts)Married a Republican in 1981. In 2008, he began voting for democrats - and loves President Obama. He is, to his astonishment and occasional fits of disbelief, now a democrat.
One of his friends told him, after he complained about the idiocy of Trump, "Welcome to the Left."
Welcome indeed, my dear.
I'm not wasting my time on Trump supporters. They are stubborn and uninformed, and truly willfully ignorant. My hope and concentration is people of color and young people. They will save our country.
Well done.
yurbud
(39,405 posts)at the polls.
Republicans do that and they win even though demographics are against them and they actually screw their base on a regular basis.
If Democrats picked some big issues and said NO to the donor class and did what was best for the rest of us, and promised to do more of the same after they won again, Democratic turnout would shut out Republican turnout every time.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)It doesn't get any better from there.
jalan48
(13,865 posts)For instance, instead of mentioning Trump I say something about the effects of the tax cut bill on myself or my family. These folks are conditioned to react to any mention of the word Trump or Republican but not so much on policy, as they know very little about it. You can easily get them to agree on some things if it isn't presented through a Democrat vs. Republican lens. Because they have been seriously brainwashed I think the only hope is to plant some seeds of truth and let them come to the realization through their own thinking process.