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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forums** CNN GENERIC BALLOT ** Democrats 56% Deplorables 38%
http://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/2017/images/12/20/rel12b.-.2018.pdfEven in aggregate polling we have a thirteen point generic lead:
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/2018_generic_congressional_vote-6185.html
stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Thank you for your K&R before some naysayers arrive.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)peggysue2
(10,828 posts)It's coming!
tblue37
(65,357 posts)fountainofyouth
(409 posts)Persondem
(1,936 posts)less important in the age of the Gerrymander.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Did you really not know that?
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)This time it will be OUR Tea Party moment.
Persondem
(1,936 posts)causing elections to be far from your old school even contests. I live in a state with extreme partisan gerrymandering and an 18 point "lead" just means that the playing field might be closer to even than it otherwise would be.
Besides ... all I said was that such polls are "less important" which is very much true. You want to live in a fantasy world, be my guest.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Do not know what Congressional district you are in, but I point out these polls are national, not local.
Experts say a 8 to 10 points is what it would take.
Be a downer, the rest of us understand what this means.
Crushing victory any way you slice and dice 440 districts.
Persondem
(1,936 posts)"Last fall, voters statewide split their ballots essentially 50-50 between Republican and Democratic state House candidates. Yet Republicans won 57 percent of the House seats, claiming 63 seats to the Democrats 47. That amounted to an efficiency gap of 10.3 percent in favor of Michigans Republicans, one of the highest advantages among all states."
So in a gerrymandered state a 10% "advantage" is just going to make the contest even. MI isn't even the most gerrymandered state. If you include 3-4% statistical noise then even an 18% "advantage' isn't really much to crow about.
Full article here ... https://www.denverpost.com/2017/06/25/gerrymandering-2016-election/
In a non-gerrymandered state Dems can be very happy about such a margin, but that does not even come close to applying to all 435 districts.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Persondem
(1,936 posts)Moostache
(9,895 posts)% of GOP zealots who will vote in 2018 - 90-95%
% of Democrats who will vote in 2018 - less than half...
THAT is our reality and until it follows Alabama 2017 special election turn out instead of 2016 Presidential turn out, we will LOSE.
The name of the game is turn out and reality is not kind to our side in that tally...
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)A real world election held last month in VA had a Dem candidate for Governor blow out his GOP opponent by the largest margin in over 30 years.
Reality seemed kind.
B Stieg
(2,410 posts)Vote in 2018 or there won't be anything left.
hibbing
(10,098 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Against my will, I'm beginning to feel optimistic about the mid-terms.
They're historically bad news for the party in power, every Dem candidate, incumbent or not, can tie his/her opponent to Trump-- whose numbers are at best, a failing grade from the public, and with these new polling numbers I can't help but feel better about increasing the probabilities of picking up a net gain of 24.
Bear in mind, six months ago, this same poll had Dems with only 5-6 point advantage-- so it seems the public is refusing to make a clear distinction between the party and the president. As long as he keeps making idiot statements, he'll drag the GOPs numbers down as well.
BigmanPigman
(51,593 posts)will keep making idiotic statements. We need to remind people about Russia, Healthcare and the Tax Scam. Add a little about sexual harassment by the fake prez and Women's Rights and people will turn Dem again.
countryken
(114 posts)During the campaign, Trump's supporters embraced this term and used it on tee shirts. I'd rather call them 'assholes' or 'jagoffs'. I don't think they'll embrace these terms.
DownriverDem
(6,228 posts)I wouldn't put much stock in generic candidates polls. However Rachel did a really good job of showing just how a blue wave could happen. She compared it to 2010 when the country punished the Dems and Obama because of ObamaCare (which the voters like more than not now). I remember that we Dems didn't see the wave coming just like the repubs now.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)It means that 56% of Americans plan to vote for the Democratic candidate rom sheriff to senator.
question everything
(47,479 posts)who will offer positive ideas, not just go after Whiny Donny.
janterry
(4,429 posts)while it is heartening and I"m gad to see it..............in this case, winning is the only thing. And it's still a long way off until election day