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** CNN GENERIC BALLOT ** Democrats 56% Deplorables 38% (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 OP
K&R stonecutter357 Dec 2017 #1
Thank you for your K&R before some naysayers arrive. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #2
Yep. (nt) ehrnst Dec 2017 #7
My wish was not granted. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #10
The Blue Tsunami peggysue2 Dec 2017 #3
K&R for visibility. nt tblue37 Dec 2017 #4
I'm sure more millionaire giveaways will stem that tide n/t fountainofyouth Dec 2017 #5
Nice to see but Persondem Dec 2017 #6
Why is there always a gloom and doomer on such threads? 18 point difference is massive. Fred Sanders Dec 2017 #12
If DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #18
Yes. Very enthusiastic to vote is 48 to 32...just as significant. We ARE going to vote in droves. Fred Sanders Dec 2017 #28
It's called being realistic. Such polls are not as relevant with Gerrymandering Persondem Dec 2017 #21
It is your fantasy world if you do not understand what an 18 point difference means. Nationally. Fred Sanders Dec 2017 #22
Times have changed ... here's some info and an article on the impact of rigged districts. Persondem Dec 2017 #23
You are using one state example. This is a national poll. 18 points nationally is no contest. Fred Sanders Dec 2017 #24
It ain't a national vote. It goes district by district. Never freakin mind Persondem Dec 2017 #27
REAL WORLD polling... Moostache Dec 2017 #8
A turnout like 2016 on both sides with an 18 point Democratic advantage? Would be an avalanche. Fred Sanders Dec 2017 #13
A real world election held last month in VA had a Dem blow out his GOP opponent LanternWaste Dec 2017 #15
It's NOT ENOUGH. B Stieg Dec 2017 #9
Whoopie hibbing Dec 2017 #11
Against my will, I'm beginning to feel optimistic about the mid-terms. LanternWaste Dec 2017 #14
It's guaranteed that the fucking moron BigmanPigman Dec 2017 #17
I don't like the word 'deplorable' in this context countryken Dec 2017 #16
Generic who? DownriverDem Dec 2017 #19
It means that 56% of Americans plan to vote DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #20
Now all we need are credible candidates question everything Dec 2017 #25
This only counts on election day janterry Dec 2017 #26

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
12. Why is there always a gloom and doomer on such threads? 18 point difference is massive.
Thu Dec 21, 2017, 11:43 AM
Dec 2017

Did you really not know that?

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
18. If
Thu Dec 21, 2017, 12:00 PM
Dec 2017
If we really have a thirteen to eighteen point generic advantage on 11/8/18 we will popping champagne bottles of 11/9/18.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
28. Yes. Very enthusiastic to vote is 48 to 32...just as significant. We ARE going to vote in droves.
Thu Dec 21, 2017, 08:43 PM
Dec 2017

This time it will be OUR Tea Party moment.

Persondem

(1,936 posts)
21. It's called being realistic. Such polls are not as relevant with Gerrymandering
Thu Dec 21, 2017, 12:37 PM
Dec 2017

causing elections to be far from your old school even contests. I live in a state with extreme partisan gerrymandering and an 18 point "lead" just means that the playing field might be closer to even than it otherwise would be.

Besides ... all I said was that such polls are "less important" which is very much true. You want to live in a fantasy world, be my guest.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
22. It is your fantasy world if you do not understand what an 18 point difference means. Nationally.
Thu Dec 21, 2017, 12:48 PM
Dec 2017

Do not know what Congressional district you are in, but I point out these polls are national, not local.

Experts say a 8 to 10 points is what it would take.

Be a downer, the rest of us understand what this means.

Crushing victory any way you slice and dice 440 districts.







Persondem

(1,936 posts)
23. Times have changed ... here's some info and an article on the impact of rigged districts.
Thu Dec 21, 2017, 01:11 PM
Dec 2017

"Last fall, voters statewide split their ballots essentially 50-50 between Republican and Democratic state House candidates. Yet Republicans won 57 percent of the House seats, claiming 63 seats to the Democrats’ 47. That amounted to an efficiency gap of 10.3 percent in favor of Michigan’s Republicans, one of the highest advantages among all states."

So in a gerrymandered state a 10% "advantage" is just going to make the contest even. MI isn't even the most gerrymandered state. If you include 3-4% statistical noise then even an 18% "advantage' isn't really much to crow about.

Full article here ... https://www.denverpost.com/2017/06/25/gerrymandering-2016-election/

In a non-gerrymandered state Dems can be very happy about such a margin, but that does not even come close to applying to all 435 districts.

Moostache

(9,895 posts)
8. REAL WORLD polling...
Thu Dec 21, 2017, 10:28 AM
Dec 2017

% of GOP zealots who will vote in 2018 - 90-95%
% of Democrats who will vote in 2018 - less than half...

THAT is our reality and until it follows Alabama 2017 special election turn out instead of 2016 Presidential turn out, we will LOSE.

The name of the game is turn out and reality is not kind to our side in that tally...

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
15. A real world election held last month in VA had a Dem blow out his GOP opponent
Thu Dec 21, 2017, 11:48 AM
Dec 2017

A real world election held last month in VA had a Dem candidate for Governor blow out his GOP opponent by the largest margin in over 30 years.

Reality seemed kind.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
14. Against my will, I'm beginning to feel optimistic about the mid-terms.
Thu Dec 21, 2017, 11:45 AM
Dec 2017

Against my will, I'm beginning to feel optimistic about the mid-terms.

They're historically bad news for the party in power, every Dem candidate, incumbent or not, can tie his/her opponent to Trump-- whose numbers are at best, a failing grade from the public, and with these new polling numbers I can't help but feel better about increasing the probabilities of picking up a net gain of 24.

Bear in mind, six months ago, this same poll had Dems with only 5-6 point advantage-- so it seems the public is refusing to make a clear distinction between the party and the president. As long as he keeps making idiot statements, he'll drag the GOPs numbers down as well.

BigmanPigman

(51,593 posts)
17. It's guaranteed that the fucking moron
Thu Dec 21, 2017, 11:55 AM
Dec 2017

will keep making idiotic statements. We need to remind people about Russia, Healthcare and the Tax Scam. Add a little about sexual harassment by the fake prez and Women's Rights and people will turn Dem again.

countryken

(114 posts)
16. I don't like the word 'deplorable' in this context
Thu Dec 21, 2017, 11:54 AM
Dec 2017

During the campaign, Trump's supporters embraced this term and used it on tee shirts. I'd rather call them 'assholes' or 'jagoffs'. I don't think they'll embrace these terms.

DownriverDem

(6,228 posts)
19. Generic who?
Thu Dec 21, 2017, 12:16 PM
Dec 2017

I wouldn't put much stock in generic candidates polls. However Rachel did a really good job of showing just how a blue wave could happen. She compared it to 2010 when the country punished the Dems and Obama because of ObamaCare (which the voters like more than not now). I remember that we Dems didn't see the wave coming just like the repubs now.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
20. It means that 56% of Americans plan to vote
Thu Dec 21, 2017, 12:18 PM
Dec 2017

It means that 56% of Americans plan to vote for the Democratic candidate rom sheriff to senator.

 

janterry

(4,429 posts)
26. This only counts on election day
Thu Dec 21, 2017, 03:00 PM
Dec 2017

while it is heartening and I"m gad to see it..............in this case, winning is the only thing. And it's still a long way off until election day

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