171 members of Congress announce letter of support today for Mueller, anticipate firing over holiday

[bigtree]

Natasha Bertrand‏ @NatashaBertrand 1h1 hour ago
House Dems will hold a press conference today to announce their support for Mueller, will also announce a letter of support signed by 171 members of Congress.
(Between this & Warner's speech yesterday, Dems seem really worried Trump will move to fire Mueller over the holidays.)

[BigmanPigman]

1. Be ready to hit the streets and protest ASAP. Here is info for your area...

Pass this info around on social media too!


https://www.marchfortruth.info/mueller-rapid-response-2/
https://act.moveon.org/event/mueller-firing-rapid-response/search/

[redwitch]

6. I just sent my rsvp.

The crowds will be something to behold. I am hoping we don’t need to do it.

[NastyRiffraff]

10. I'm going to Veteran's Plaza in Silver Spring MD

Anyone else going there, PM me!

[Sam McGee]

20. We are ready to roll and ready to rumble

Here in rural Virginia, we already have 25 of us lined to descend on Richmond and Tappahannock.

I already have two signs made:
-- I CAME UNARMED. THIS TIME.
-- THE 2D AMENDMENT IS NOT ABOUT SQUIRREL HUNTING

[sprinkleeninow]

29. ...."unarmed. This time."

The ignoramuses 'think' (way overstatement) that Dems are wimpy wilting fuzzy wuzzies that do not harbor firearms or weapons of any sort. Not even a slingshot. And that lily-livered Dems feel icky entertaining such a notion.

Okaaaay. El stupidos. Have your 'thoughts'.

Also, I hope there's no 'rolling', but we shall see.

Hub feels marches/descending on streets, highways, biways will not bring about the desired result of cleaning out We the Peoples House et al, but I know him. And he may change his mind.

[wryter2000]

31. Frank Ogawa Plaza

In front of Oakland city hall. I'll be wearing my pussy hat.

[Maraya1969]

2. If Trump called up Mueller and told him he was fired that would not cause Mueller

to vacate the office right? Do these people think that Trump is going to fire the acting Attorney General, hire a new one and then have that new person fire Mueller all in one day?

[Dopers_Greed]

3. Maybe Donnie Two Scoops...

...has a group of thugs ready to storm into Mueller's office and start smashing electronics and stealing records.

[Mr.Bill]

4. And maybe Mueller has all these records

duplicated at several other locations.

[Maraya1969]

5. I'm sure of that. He probably has things planned out and ready to go without him.

[Hekate]

12. So did President Obama

The mills of the gods grind slowly, but they grind exceeding small.

Here's hoping our republic can be saved by the good people doing their part. Now let's do our part and GOTV.

[IMnotU]

15. It can not be signed only by Democrats

It must be non-partisan to be worth anything. Otherwise, it will be pictured as just another Democratic attack on Trump.

[Sophia4]

25. Not True. Democrats saved our country practically by themselves during

the Roosevelt years.

We can do that again.

[Hekate]

33. What "can't be signed only by democrats", IMnotU?

I thought we were talking about factual evidence, its existence, and the likelihood that it can't all be destroyed because it is duplicated in numerous places.

In addition we also know that the State of New York is working on their own investigations, which are not subject to federal control, much less presidential control.

[Horizens]

52. I Agree and

171? There are 193 Democrats in the House. List of 171 is weak so don't bother.

[Maraya1969]

56. I'd like to know why the others didn't sign. There must be a reason. Maybe

they just couldn't be contacted on time.

[watoos]

14. Trump could fire Rosenstein

that puts Rachel Brand in charge, IMO, she would fire Mueller.

[mobeau69]

23. It wouldn't work that way.

See Saturday night massacre. Dotard would just go down the line of authority at DOJ until he found a wannabe, which was #3 (Bork) in Watergate.

Damn, 3rd time's a charm!

[marylandblue]

28. That's what Nixon did

[pnwmom]

55. He could make a recess appointment without Senate approval. nt

[bluestarone]

7. if Mueller is fired all i say is

Mueller is like Obama said (FIRED UP READY TO GO)

[Bayard]

9. How many time do tRump and Huckabee have to say HE's not firing Mueller?

He'll have someone else do it.

[Duppers]

11. Pence?

They're all lying assholes.

[Cryptoad]

13. thats less than a majority of the members of Congress,,,,,,,,

that doesn't sound like good thingy to me?

[ffr]

16. Read to go too. There will be four to six of us with signs.

[NewJeffCT]

17. Also a lot of good information in support of Mueller here from Seth Abramson

Link to tweet

[Eliot Rosewater]

30. Thank you so much for this, LOOK at THIS

6/ If Trump fires Rosenstein, his replacement will have to get through Congress, so the idea Trump can simply insert a stooge who will stop Mueller from issuing indictments is wrong. Likewise, saying that just because someone hasn't been indicted yet means they won't be is wrong

[wryter2000]

34. Saturday Night Massacre

Was all done within hours. There was no need to face Congress at all. The Orange Abomination would simply continue to fire people until he got to one who's fire Mueller.

[Eliot Rosewater]

35. Not if the replacement has to be approved by Congress first.

[wryter2000]

38. That's not how it worked

Nixon ordered the Attorney General to fire Cox. When he resigned, Nixon ordered the Deputy Attorney General to fire Cox. When he resigned, Nixon ordered Robert Bork to do it, and Bork did.

It was all done within hours. No one had to go before Congress to do anything.

[Eliot Rosewater]

40. The REPLACEMENT has to be approved, someone has to take the job THEN fire Mueller

[wryter2000]

41. The replacement has to be approved

But Mueller can be fired before a new person is approved.

Google Nixon's Saturday Night Massacre.

Trump fires Rosenstein and then orders Rosenstein's subordinate to fire Mueller. If that person (person 2) fires Mueller, Mueller's out. If person 2 doesn't fire Mueller, Trump fires person 2 and then orders the third in command to fire Mueller. And on and on until someone fires Mueller.

That's how Richard Nixon fired Archibald Cox. it took a couple of hours on a Saturday night. Cox was out before Congress woke up on Sunday morning.

[Eliot Rosewater]

42. More about this here

Initially, the White House claimed to have fired Ruckelshaus,[2] but as an article published the next day by The Washington Post pointed out, "The letter from the President to Bork also said Ruckelshaus resigned."[2]

The night he was fired, Cox's deputy prosecutor and press aides held an impassioned news briefing and read the following statement from him, "Whether ours shall continue to be a government of laws and not of men is now for Congress and ultimately the American people."[7]

On November 14, 1973, federal district judge Gerhard Gesell ruled firing Cox was illegal absent a finding of extraordinary impropriety as specified in the regulation establishing the special prosecutor's office.[5] Congress was infuriated by what it saw as a gross abuse of presidential power as were many Americans, who sent an unusually large number of telegrams to the White House and Congress in protest.[8][9][10]

Less than a week after the Saturday Night Massacre, an Oliver Quayle poll for NBC News showed that, for the first time, a plurality of U.S. citizens supported impeaching Nixon, with 44% in favor, 43% opposed, and 13% undecided, with a sampling error of 2 to 3 per cent.[11] In the days that followed, numerous resolutions of impeachment against the president were introduced in Congress.

But the House Judiciary Committee did not approve its first article of impeachment until July 27 the following year – more than nine months after the Saturday Night Massacre – when it charged Nixon with obstruction of justice. Two more articles of impeachment quickly followed.

Nixon resigned fewer than two weeks later, on August 8, 1974.

More to it as to how a court would deal with it...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturday_Night_Massacre

[wryter2000]

45. Nevertheless Cox never returned to his post

It remains to be seen what a court would do. As to impeachment, we have a different Republican party today than we did back then.

[wryter2000]

44. This isn't theoretical. It's already happened

[link:https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/longterm/watergate/articles/102173-2.htm|

Richardson resigned when Mr. Nixon instructed him to fire Cox and Richardson refused. When the President then asked Ruckelshaus to dismiss Cox, he refused, White House spokesman Ronald L. Ziegler said, and he was fired. Ruckelshaus said he resigned.

Finally, the President turned to Solicitor General Robert H. Bork, who by law becomes acting Attorney General when the Attorney General and deputy attorney general are absent, and he carried out the President's order to fire Cox. The letter from the President to Bork also said Ruckelshaus resigned.

These dramatic developments were announced at the White House at 8:25 p.m. after Cox had refused to accept or comply with the terms of an agreement worked out by the President and the Senate Watergate committee under which summarized material from the White House Watergate tapes would be turned over to Cox and the Senate committee.

[emulatorloo]

53. Link to "un-rolled" web friendly thread here

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/942654866010361856.html

[NewJeffCT]

54. thanks!

that was helpful. It wasn't even blocked in my office like Twitter itself

[BamaRefugee]

18. I've seen lots of detailed posts saying "Trump can't fire Mueller" so which is it????? nt

[Sophia4]

26. Trump will act through a surrogate.

[wryter2000]

39. Trump can fire Rosenstein

He can keep firing people until he gets to someone who will fire Mueller. Just the way Nixon fired Archibald Cox.

[Sam McGee]

19. If (when) Trump fires Mueller, TAKE TO THE STREETS!!!!

In case you have not seen this -- if (when) Trump fires Mueller, there is a plan in place to take to the streets nationwide.

Go to this site:
https://act.moveon.org/event/mueller-firing-rapid-response-events/search/

Find your state and the closest town/city, sign up, go.

I already have two signs made:
-- I CAME UNARMED. THIS TIME.
-- THE 2D AMENDMENT IS NOT ABOUT SQUIRREL HUNTING

[calimary]

37. Welcome to DU, Sam McGee!

On it. Already know the location, printed out the notice, and hung it on my wall.

[defacto7]

24. Done

On the list in UT.

Text alert enabled.

[dewsgirl]

27. I still think something may happen tomorrow.

[underpants]

32. If there is a firing they'll fire the whole team

Thinking that will slow everything down until they hand pick a team. That's my prediction.

[procon]

36. That's just pitiful.

There are a total of 535 Members of Congress, 100 in the Senate and 435 in the House. There are 248 Republicans in the House and 192 Democrats. The Senate has 54 Republicans and 44 Democrats.

Out of the total 535 Members of Congress, if only 171 support Mueller, the vote won't even be close.

[IluvPitties]

43. Any Republicans signed?

[Skittles]

46. ...

[nitpicker]

47. Link to Reuters

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-house/house-democrats-rally-to-protect-special-counsel-mueller-idUSKBN1EF2P5

[bigtree]

48. thanks, nitpicker

...

[DeminPennswoods]

49. Yesterday Nick Ackerman was on a

panel on one of the MSNBC evening shows. Someone else pointed out that Ackerman had previously mentioned a lawsuit against the Trump campaign and Roger Stone that's also in progress over the Russian interference. The noteworthy thing is that ALL the former intelligence chiefs (Hayden, Brennan, Clapper, etc) filed an Amicus Brief with the court. Ackerman said this was extremely rare at the district court level. But because of the need to protect classified info, the Amicus brief couldn't come right out and say what the former intell guys know that the Trump campaign/Stone conspired with Russia. So even if Mueller is fired, this case will continue. Further, there would be nothing to stop the plantiffs from hiring Mueller and his staff to help them with the lawsuit.

[Gothmog]

50. I will be out protesting if Mueller is fired over the holidays

[awesomerwb1]

51. So where are the other Dems in congress

who didn't sign the letter??

Don't we have 191 or 192 Dems in congress?