Schummer scolds his members.

[Egnever]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/after-passing-tax-overhaul-gop-returns-to-infighting-as-shutdown-deadline-looms/2017/12/21/dfad1890-e659-11e7-ab50-621fe0588340_story.html?utm_term=.4606456df1b9

In a stark display of the divide among Democrats about how to proceed, more than a dozen members of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus marched from the House floor to Schumer’s office across the U.S. Capitol on Thursday afternoon, demanding to see the Democratic leader.

Emerging from the meeting, caucus members said Schumer assured them that more Democratic senators would vote against the spending bill than the 14 who did so two weeks ago, the last time Congress temporarily extended government funding.

Several people who attended the meeting, granted anonymity to describe what was expected to be a private exchange, said Rep. Luis Gutiérrez (D-Ill.) — arguably the most outspoken Democrat on immigration matters — unloaded on Schumer, accusing him and Democratic senators of not caring about the fate of dreamers and “throwing them under the bus” in the ongoing spending debate with Republicans, participants said.

In response, Schumer raised his voice, telling Gutiérrez not to insult fellow Democrats.

Gutiérrez shot back, telling Schumer: “Don’t raise your voice.”

Will our leadership ever stand up?

The republicans needed this to pass on several different levels and we gave it to them. A stance here could have not only protected the dreamers and CHIP it could have forced coverage on the tax bill and how it will force medicare spending cuts.

This fight should have been taken to the american people it was a golden opportunity to stand up and fight and we let it slip through our fingers.

Not only did they pass the CR they allowed a waiver on paygo so the tax bill won't trigger the cuts to medicare taking yet more leverage off the table.

It leaves me wondering what game Schummer is playing. It ain't hardball that's for sure.

So now come Jan we have less leverage but we are going to fight harder? Color me skeptical.

[msongs]

1. ever stand up? well they did get rid of al franken. does that count? nt

[mountain grammy]

6. Yeah, theres that act of courage

[Wellstone ruled]

2. This CR is in big trouble as of today.

Trump just cut the legs out from under it. Tens of Billions are now gone.

[rurallib]

7. what happened?

[Wellstone ruled]

9. With the signing of the Tax Bill today,

tens of billions of dollars that were included in the Continuing Resolution as well as the new Budget Bill are now taken away for Tax Cuts. The largest pool is money for ACA and Medicare/Medicaid as well as other Social Welfare Programs.

[rurallib]

21. Thank you, that really helps me

they seem to have no clue what they are doing or have done.

[awesomerwb1]

8. CR?

[Egnever]

11. Continuing resolution

Basically the temporary spending bill that pushes this fight to January.

If it did not pass the government would have been shut down it required 60 votes in the senate. We should have stood strong and forced at the very least the CHIP program and the Dreamers act. If we were really smart we would have forced it because the tax bill could not be signed without it because it would have forced immediate cuts to medicare. which would have forced the public to see what will happen with this going forward.

Instead by letting this slide we wont face the medicare cuts till 2019 meaning we can't hang it around the republicans necks as effectively. the medicare cuts will still come but not till after the election. This whole tax scam was set up to put the pain off till after the 2018 elections. We just helped ensure that they get away with that.

[awesomerwb1]

13. Thanks for the explanation

I hope the Dems leadership knows what its doing.

[onethatcares]

20. wait.

you didn't actually say that on a public forum, did you?????

I'm trying to find out where the leadership put its spine because I certainly don't hear any kick ass ideas or speeches from them.

Meanwhile the pukes put together anything they want, in secrecy, and it gets signed and they go on vacation while spitting on us.

[JHan]

25. They're in a minority

and having to deal with an irrational party incapable of governance who is in the majority.

I keep waiting to hear what faerie magic democrats are supposed to employ to get "leverage"

I keep wondering what universe some people reside.

[still_one]

26. Thank you Jhan for explaining this to those who may not realize we lost both houses

[JHan]

38. there were still gains...

but there's a lot of disingenuous framing of these issues.

There's now the meme that Democrats abandoned Dreamers. It's ridiculous.

[still_one]

42. I know, I was being sarcastic. They didn't abondon dreamers, this is going to be brought up early

next year

[JHan]

43. yep, but the meme won't die will it..

sigh.

[Egnever]

31. Maybe a better understanding of how congress works would help?

The CR requires 60 votes to pass. There are 51 Republican senators. The CR is must pass legislation or the government shuts down.

The Dems could easily stop the CR from passing unless CHIP was funded and the Dreamers were taken care of. That is called leverage.

Maybe you could explain what part of that is fantasy.

[JHan]

37. I understand how congress works so well...

Last edited Fri Dec 22, 2017, 08:49 PM - Edit history (1)

I know that the DACA Issue has been postponed ( via stop gap) and is still on the table.

I also know CHIP got emergency funding (http://money.cnn.com/2017/12/21/news/economy/chip-funding/index.html)

Aside from those facts, I am more addressing the tone of your op and others , where Democrats get blamed for everything like the tax bill, or other pieces of awful legislation, while in a minority.

EDIT: Tweet: This fight continues in January & I think Dems are on same page now.” He said the fight would continue under the leadership of Schumer and Pelosi.

This fight continues in January & I think Dems are on same page now. Good of the country must outweigh any political calculations, therefore we’ll be moving forward on #DreamAct under leadership of @replujangrisham @nancypelosi @senschumer & allies in House & Senate. t.co/qbUFCSkf8c

— Luis V. Gutiérrez (@repgutierrez) December 21, 2017

I will take the strategy of Pelosi over anyone in this thread - and frankly Pelosi knows more about how congress works than you or I ever will.

[Me.]

3. I Wish We Had Someone Better Than Schumer

Haven't been happy with my Senator for quite a while. And, just have to say. The joke about him used to be, never get between Schumer and a camera, yet lately, I'm either missing his appearances or he hasn't been making them.

[janterry]

4. Schumer also was the reason Franken resigned

It was his intervention that finally got Franken to let go of the Senate.

IDK. He's a tough guy (a NY'er, of course) and he knows how to play hardball.

But, at the end of the day.......democrats have to do the right thing (I mean in a straightforward way - that Americans can see and understand).

Politics might be the order of business, but helping dreamers is the most straightforward thing we can do. That and healthcare.

[awesomerwb1]

10. I'm not so sure....

remember the whole "Chuck and Nancy" thing and the hot mic where Schummer said dump "likes me"?

Yeah, Schummer got played like a fiddle there regarding DACA/immigration.

Let's help Dreamers and TPS. (TPS for those who don't know is DACA before DACA. Try since 1999. Since then these TPS holders have undergone FBI background checks every 18 months, and had to pay between $400 and $485 every 18 months to get their TPSs renewed and their work permits.

So they've been following the law and paying high immigration fees and more importantly taxe$ since they can legally work with a work permit.

Maybe this requires its own thread, but here's more info re: TPS:
-The labor force participation rate of the TPS population from the three nations (El Salvador, Haiti, Honduras) ranges from 81 to 88 percent, which is well above the rate for the total US population (63 percent) and the foreign-born population (66 percent).
-The five leading industries in which TPS beneficiaries from these countries work are: construction (51,700), restaurants and other food services (32,400), landscaping services (15,800), child day care services (10,000), and grocery stores (9,200).
-TPS recipients from these countries live in 206,000 households: 61,100 of these households (roughly 30 percent) have mortgages.
About 68,000, or 22 percent, of the TPS population from these nations arrived as children under the age of 16.
-TPS beneficiaries from these nations have an estimated 273,000 US citizen children (born in the United States).
-Ten percent of El Salvadoran, nine percent of the Haitian, and six percent of the Honduran TPS beneficiaries are married to a legal resident.
-More than one-half of El Salvadoran and Honduran, and 16 percent of the Haitian TPS beneficiaries have resided in the United States for 20 years or more.
-Eighty-seven percent of the TPS population from these countries speaks at least some English, and slightly over one-half speak English well, very well, or only English.
-About 27,000, or 11 percent, of those in the labor force are self-employed, having created jobs for themselves and likely for others as well.

Bold mine. I apologize if this is perceived as trying to hijack thread but I'm worried this will be the next crisis.

[Egnever]

12. Not at all

Great INFO!

Thanks for putting it in here.

[elleng]

28. Thanks for the info, awesome,

and try a separate thread for 'viewership.'

[ProudLib72]

5. Luis Gutierrez 2020!

Someone with a backbone!

[pnwmom]

14. You see cuts to people on Medicaid and Medicare as LEVERAGE? n/t

[Egnever]

15. You see allowing them as fighting?

They absolutely are leverage. Somehow you think that by allowing them to be hidden until after the election that is a win for us? They are coming unless we somehow stop this monstrosity. What we let happen today was for them to cover it up till after the election.


Three huge issues we win. Protecting medicare protecting children's insurance and providing safety for the Dreamers. We win all three of those arguments and we just threw all three of them under the buss and in the process took away our last chance to block these tax cuts.

Without the waiver on medicare they would have been crushed in 2018 and we could have walked in and fixed it. Instead we kicked the can down the road in hopes we would be stronger in 2019 that is a huge gamble. The american people need to feel the pain this administration is causing. Allowing them to hide it till after the elections only weakens our position.

Do explain how this is a win by any standard.

[pnwmom]

16. Democrats would have been blamed for the cuts if we didn't go along with the waiver.

They would have said that they had a majority but the waiver didn't pass because no Democrats would help.

[Egnever]

17. If so then the democrats suck at the truth

[Fullduplexxx]

18. Cons caused the recession in 08 and now they have all 3 branches of government

Theyre gonna get 13 million tgrown off healthcare and they will be relected ... i think people over estimate the blowback they will recieve regarding being blamed for things

[uponit7771]

22. Not now, the country would blame Red Don for bad weather. Most Americans don't like him, this is the

... wrong time to give him shit

[politicaljunkie41910]

23. I agree. Everyone ASSumes that the Repugs would have been blamed, but in the meantime the Repugs

would have said screw it and would have been headed out of town. After all they can't go much lower in the polls, and then again can we really count on any of these polls this far out. If the Repugs had walked, both parties would have been blamed at least initially, but we now know that the Repugs have a base which is a lot more forgiving then the Dem's base is. So what if employees and vendors didn't get paid?? The Repugs would have blamed it on the Dems and the Dems would have blamed it on the Repugs, and everyone would have been saying throw them all out. However, 5 minutes later the Repugs will have kissed and made up and a year later the Dems would still be pointing fingers at one another. Sound familiar?

[LyndaG]

19. The Rs suffered big defeats in '06 and '08

Their blunders do catch up with them. Hope it happens again in '18.

[George II]

24. Why don't you post the WHOLE story, including what Gutirrez said a little while after the meeting?

[Eliot Rosewater]

27. I noticed the OP also said dems suck at the truth, does that mean the OP is calling

democrats liars?

[guillaumeb]

29. I think the meaning was the Democrats cannot get a coherent message out.

But given that the US corporate media is conservative, that is understandable. Trump's foolish lies get far more coverage than the truth.

[George II]

30. Then it should have been said that "Democrats cannot get a coherent message out", correct?

By the way, with the rest of the story missing, the "truth" wasn't entirely expressed in the OP. It led those who don't follow up with teh fully story to think that there's more discord among Democrats than there really is.

In fact, the subject line of the OP isn't even the headline of the "US corporate media", so who is being misleading?

That's unfortunate.

[guillaumeb]

32. It is, and I read the story.

But judging by some of the comments in more than a few posts, this failure is not unusual.

Schumer is playing a weak hand, and we must all keep that in mind.

[Egnever]

34. what nonsense

what's this truth you are going on about?

[George II]

35. Go find what Gutirrez said a little while after the meeting. Thanks.

[Bradical79]

39. There's a Gutirrez quote missing.

Gutiérrez later tweeted, “This fight continues in January & I think Dems are on same page now.” He said the fight would continue under the leadership of Schumer and Pelosi.

This was a follow up quote in another Washington Post article more focused on the exchange. I assume that's what he's referring to.

[Egnever]

33. I am limited in how much of the article I can post

If you want to add it why don't you? Not to mention there are no further statements from Gutiérrez in that article.

By all means post what else he said I am interested in hearing it.

[George II]

36. Actually I believe that the 4 paragraph limit only strictly applies to LBN, in GD it is only...

...a recommendation (I may be wrong on that, the rules may have changed)

You seem to be portraying the Democrats as not getting along, saying that Schumer "scolds" his members, even though the word "scold" isn't even in the article and the minor spat was only a small part of a very long article, mostly about Republicans in fact, and certainly not about Democrats.

What Gutiérrez said afterward isn't in this article. He said later that "This fight continues in January & I think Dems are on same page now.”

The fight he's referring to is the budget fight, not some very minor, almost non-existent discord among Democrats.

Why did you pull just that one excerpt out and attempt to criticize Democrats instead of giving the true sense of the entire article?

[Bradical79]

41. I'll say I was certainly confused

When I saw the headline and started reading the article, I was wondering if you had posted the wrong link at first.

[George II]

44. Yeah, the subject line had little or nothing to do with the gist of the article.

[mcar]

40. Oh, is it still slam Dems time here?

I lose track. Republicans are trying to kill us, so a vote for a short CR that will help people pay their bills and keep kids on health insurance temporarily seems OK to me....

because Dems are in the minority!

[ehrnst]

45. As far as I'm concerned, any "progressive" that refused to vote for Hillary, or

trashed her with faint praise once she was the candidate, did way more to harm DACA than any Dem leadership action.

DACA was on the ballot with HRC.

[JHan]

46. They own it, it's been hilarious observing the outrage...

from Net Neutrality, to the Supreme Court .. etc etc etc.

The choice couldn't be more stark last year, but you had idiots selling the lesser of two evils angle and the "flawed" bullshit and all the other nonsense spin.