The Story Of Thanksgiving Largely A Myth. Pilgrim Landing In 1620 Was A Mess & Failure.

[TheMastersNemesis]

After watching the PBS special on the Pilgrims is it apparent that the story of Thanksgiving has been a fraud all along. The alliance with the Indians was driven by a plague brought in by earlier Europeans that have wiped out many of the natives living in the New England area.

So the story of Thanksgiving is just bullshit for the most part. Upon learning the real history most of the story is just plain a lie. I now wonder how much of the history I was taught is much the same.

In the end native tribes were eventually obliterated. And for the remaining Indians considered Thanksgiving as a day of mourning.

[Blue_true]

1. Lot of history is made up.

People that write history will romanticize their point of view. That has happened down through history. The legend of the American cowboy is pretty much made up, western law enforcers were nothing but hired guns working for people that had money and did not want competition. The legend of Teddy Roosevelt is largely made up, even as he did some great things.

[The_REAL_Ecumenist]

5. Well, the actual truth about the COWBOYS

was this: MOST of them were BLACK, which is why there were called cowBOYS. True A FEW of them worked for the government BUT most of them DIDN'T. They are also the reason behind the "sundown laws", as in "N****rs don't let them sun go down on you", when they were in town.
I learned the histories from my grandparents who were born and raised in Corsicana, Navarro county TX. The racism was palpable and my grandmother told my grandfather that the ONLY way she'd marry him was if they moved OUT of Texas.

[DavidDvorkin]

12. About 25% of cowboys were black

That's very different from the movies, but it's still not most.

[Drahthaardogs]

14. And it depends on where they are from

In Colorado, New Mexico, and parts of Arizona, most were Mexican cowboys who were mestizo. Many of the ranch owners were Criollo Spaniards descendents who held original land grants.

[DavidDvorkin]

15. True

Movies make the West not only white but also Northern European, and everyone speaks with that weird invented sort-of Southern accent. The real West was full of Europeans of all sorts, with a great mixture of languages, accents, and dress.

And of course Western towns loved gun control.

In addition to what you pointed out, many ranches south of the border were owned by American Anglos who married locals and spoke Spanish. The border was just a line on a map that no one paid any attention to.

[A HERETIC I AM]

16. Just as a minor point...

There were cowboys in Florida long before there were any in Colorado, Texas, Arizona and New Mexico

[The_REAL_Ecumenist]

21. My family are MESTIZO, (some people were called Criollo) but BLACK to idiot bigots.

In Texas, My great grandfather, Ferdinand, was one of the COWBOYS, as well as many of my GG Uncles & back to BEFORE Texas was stolen from Mexico. Alot of my family went into Mexico after it was made an American slave holding state and we still have family in Jalisco & Oaxaca states. That part of the family originates in Andalucia Spain. SO, I do KNOW what I'm talking about. We MIGHT have been called Mestiza & Criollo/ Creole BUT to most white Americans, we were called "N**GGERS...PERIOD.

[world wide wally]

2. The "winners" get to write the history books

[rusty quoin]

3. Hell, 50% of them died.

The only reason they landed around Plymouth Rock was because the natives died of European diseases.

The best thing that all native Americans could have done for themselves since Columbus was kill every European who tried to land. And I don’t think that my statement is controversial.

[underpants]

11. Beer

There was a final Jeopardy question several years ago that went something like - the pilgrims, unable to make their intended destination in Virginia, landed at Plymouth Rock because the ship's crew had run out of this.

The answer was What is beer?

Not beer like we think of it but water with thingies (science!) in it to keep it from getting stagnant on the trip across the ocean.

[DFW]

4. How about Christmas being on December 25th?

Some of the astronomical phenomena described at the supposed time of the birth of Jesus DID occur around that time over Palestine--in April. I read all about that back when I was in college taking a course in Astronomy, so this isn't some new discovery. That never stopped people from angrily screaming "Happy Birthday Jesus!" to passers by in 20th century shopping malls in December, though. Speaking of shopping malls: commercially, it wouldn't make sense to commercialize both Santa and the Easter Bunny in the same month, I figure.

(Why angrily? Well, in the south, anyway, where I grew up, the more people ignored them, the angrier they became).

[Straw Man]

6. Christmas in December ...

... was a ploy to attract pagans who were used to winter solstice celebrations.

[pansypoo53219]

7. i heard june or which is gemini?

[Archae]

10. Even the Bible itself says Jesus was born in spring.

"When shepherds watched their flocks by night."

They still do, to keep jackals from grabbing lambs for dinner.

And lambs are born in spring.

[Blue_true]

20. December 25.

There were a number of monotheistic religions that preceded Christianity by hundreds of years, all had December 25 as the birth of their savior. The religion before the advent of Christianity was Roman Mithraism whose savior was Mithras, born on December 25 in a miraculous birth. The Horn that is the mark of God also has origin in Mithraism, the legend was that the God of Mithraism slayed a sacred bull in a cave to become ruler of the earth, that is why Roman Mithraist rituals occurred in caves or underground. The catecombs underneath the Vatican are the remains of the most significant Roman Mithraist church in all of Rome. The term Pontif originated from the term Pontifex Maximus, the Pontifex Maximus was the if height office in state sponsored religion in Rome and was held by a Roman Mithraist high priest before the Ço-ruler of western Rome defeated his co-ruler brother-in-law to start the rise of Christianity. Paul the Apostle was a high priest in Roman Mithraism known as Paul of Tarsus, before he converted to Christianity and wrote the first books of the Christian bible. The early history of Christianity was pretty brutal with wars to conquer the last of the Roman leaders that were Roman Mithraist.

[tblue37]

8. Read "Lies My Teacher Told Me: Everything Your American History Textbook Got Wrong"--

by James W. Loewen

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0041OT8EK/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1

[malaise]

9. History

is his story - and is often one sided BS.

[Iggo]

13. At least Santa Claus is real.

So we have that going for us. Which is nice.

[KWR65]

17. It was disease that killed millions of Native Americans

The immigrants to the Americas did not know what we now know about biology.

[treestar]

18. What is the historical research?

I don't think a PBS special could have enough in it to really establish that. Does it interview someone with a researched thesis that is more than just opinion?