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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDid you know Princess Michael's father not only was a Nazi, but in the SS?
Something tells me she won't be invited to many Royal functions in the future.
Irish_Dem
(47,131 posts)And after Queen Elizabeth's uncle David abdicated, he went on to align with Hitler.
He cut a deal with Hitler that when Germany invaded England, the royal family
would be deposed and David would be installed as King.
Hitler never was successful in invading Gt Britain, thank goodness.
Chasstev365
(5,191 posts)He was a nasty man. Thank goodness he abdicated and his brother took the throne.
Irish_Dem
(47,131 posts)On many levels.
The British people lucked out with Elizabeth as their Queen given the other family choices.
pandr32
(11,588 posts)Irish_Dem
(47,131 posts)Demonaut
(8,919 posts)Irish_Dem
(47,131 posts)many immigrants came to this country fleeing from the harsh rulership of a King and aristocracy in various European countries.
So the royal family is fascinating, but not sure we like the concept.
Irish_Dem
(47,131 posts)Sorry for the confusion.
Chasstev365
(5,191 posts)marybourg
(12,633 posts)the name Edward on his ascension to the throne. Many monarchs do that. Elisabeth did not.
Chasstev365
(5,191 posts)Irish_Dem
(47,131 posts)Elizabeth kept her own name, but she could have chosen something different.
lapucelle
(18,276 posts)Cirque du So-What
(25,947 posts)Family & close friends referred to him as David before he became Edward VIII.
jrandom421
(1,005 posts)Elizabeth hated her uncle with the burning intensity of 10,000 supernovas.
Irish_Dem
(47,131 posts)Not only did David commit high treason, but he betrayed his own family.
I am assuming Hitler's invasion plan to depose Elizabeth and her father
entailed their deaths. There is no way they could be left alive to threaten
Hitler's Vichy King Edward (David).
jrandom421
(1,005 posts)by abdicating and making his younger brother king, who had no training at the intricacies of kingship in the 20th Century, and lead the British Empire against the Axis, he ensured that the new King would undergo stress that would eventually lead to his death. King George VI smoked 3 packs a day, no doubt to the stress of leadership that he never sought. He died in 1952 at the age of 56 due to lung cancer.
If he hadn't been King, Elizabeth figures he could have lived another 30-40 years. She figures David did kill his younger brother, and hated him for all his remaining days on earth.
Irish_Dem
(47,131 posts)I know he was under a lot of stress, but not sure David could have been blamed
for a cancer death due to cigarette smoking. But yes I suppose if Bertie significantly increased his smoking due to stress, I see the connection to Bertie.
jrandom421
(1,005 posts)Since he was a commissioned officer of the Royal Navy and a veteran of combat.
But to be suddenly made King, and being forced to lead the United Kingdom and Empire, and then confront Hitler and Nazi Germany, I'm not sure there wouldn't be a large number of people who wouldn't increase their smoking to deal with the stress of all that dropped on them when they hadn't been expecting or trained in dealing with it.
Irish_Dem
(47,131 posts)It is a documentary. Apparently Bertie was not very bright, very poorly educated
and given to fits of anger. He also was quite nervous.
His wife, Elizabeth's mother, held him together and he relied
on her a great deal. However they both understood the country needed
them given the abdication and the war, so Bertie rose to the occasion and did
an excellent job with the help of his wife.
But yes it could be argued the severe stress of the job took a toll on Bertie.
And contributed to an early death.
Certainly however as a second son, he knew he was the spare to the heir.
And the only reason they are kept in the lap of luxury and privilege is to
set up to the plate if needed. So their anger about doing the job of a spare
seems unwarranted to me. There is no free lunch.
Ilsa
(61,695 posts)was a US spy that entangled David and manipulated him into abdicating because the US suspected his philosophical alignment with Hitler.
Even though it is just a fiction, thank God for those two got together, or there could have been a monumental crisis in the UK during the rise of the Third Reich.
Irish_Dem
(47,131 posts)Manipulates David into abdicating, to weaken Britain and demoralize the English people.
Then further manipulates David into collaborating with Hitler to overthrow the British monarchy (Bertie and Elizabeth). And become a Hitler puppet King.
I know it is fiction, but there was something odd about Wallace that made us spin as similar yarn. And events went south fast when she came on the scene.
Ilsa
(61,695 posts)Contacts with German businessmen high in the Reich. Maybe she was recruited by them, too, a double agent!
Irish_Dem
(47,131 posts)She was a double agent, working for both the US and Germany.
If the US had solid evidence the British King was working with Hitler,
they might have taken matters into their own hands, knowing the
the British government may not take action given their loyalty to the King.
Sent in Wallace to bring him down.
She is off the US payroll when the job is done and she flips over to Hitler.
We have the outline of an interesting story.
Ilsa
(61,695 posts)narrow escapes from being discovered, and maybe a denouement where David discovers her secret decades later.
Narrow escapes, and intrigue.
There will be sex scenes given the steamy relationship between David and Wallace.
And all the rumors about Wallace's life prior to her marriages.
Sneederbunk
(14,291 posts)TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(101,322 posts)TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)Tipperary
(6,930 posts)Thanks!
SharonClark
(10,014 posts)Skittles
(153,169 posts)DavidDvorkin
(19,479 posts)Condemn her for what she had done, such as wearing that brooch.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Franco is still dead too.
Chasstev365
(5,191 posts)Me.
(35,454 posts)Meghan Markle, who has an African American mother, she wore a blackmoor brooch on her lapel.
hedda_foil
(16,375 posts)Pachamama
(16,887 posts)....money you have, it doesn't make you have "class"...
This was a tasteless and disgusting act by her and it would be wonderful to hear that this dear "cousin" of Queen Elizabeth finds herself not invited to the wedding....
Kaleva
(36,312 posts)erpowers
(9,350 posts)Their last name is not actually Windsor. They changed their name to sound more British. The name comes from Windsor Castle.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,735 posts)Prior to 1917 they were members of the House of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha. George V changed the name to Windsor on account of WWI when Germans were not very popular.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)I watched a PBS special on the British royalty and knew from that the family had a lot of Germanic ties, just did not realize how deep they were.
no_hypocrisy
(46,130 posts)And Mountbatten was changed from Battenberg.
ailsagirl
(22,897 posts)The House of Windsor came into being in 1917, when the name was adopted as the British Royal Family's official name by a proclamation of King George V, replacing the historic name of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha. The royals wanted to remove any connection because of anti-German sentiment in the British Empire during World War I. It remains the family name of the current Royal Family.