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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forumswhy does the democratic party need ONE leader?
i'm so sick of this stupid talking point. they always rattle off at least a half dozen respected, good dems who lead in a variety of ways.
as it should be.
shut up about "the ONE"
we are democrats. we are not about "the ONE"
FBaggins
(26,775 posts)msongs
(67,462 posts)delisen
(6,046 posts)It won't be perfect either but it will be better than the alpha male strongman hierarchal system.
Lots of new frontiers coming up-we just have this one last hurdle.......
Igel
(35,374 posts)If there's one actual leader, then there is a moderating influence on any group--the rank-and-file membership, intermediate tier leaders, and the top dog (or cat, or fish ...)
If there are multiple leaders and they all agree, all's well. But if there are multiple leaders and they form two groups that move in different directions, then there's no longer a party. There are two parties.
If there are multiple leaders in three groups and they move in three directions, there are then three parties.
Having shown it for n and n + 1, think "proof by induction" any value of n.
From personal experience, when this kind of thing happens at first there's easy intercourse between the groups. People flow back and forth as necessary, working on what's important. In some ways they still act as a party. In others, not so much.
Eventually that intercourse ceases. Boundaries are formed. This can happen due to financial reasons, reasons of relative importance, or because they suddenly line up in a number of ways. We humans like to form communities, and refer to our particular group of humans as "the community" (meaning all others are non-communities, or not really as important). Suddenly, without realizing it, people find that they're in groups. Not because they were forced to, but because they're human and we form groups. "They" are okay as long as they're neutral and we can think of them as "us", but something comes along and they're the enemy.
This transition can take a month; it can take a year; it can take a decade.
If the group is lucky, most of the splinter groups find themselves weak, powerless, and flow back into one group. They re-unite. Sometimes at the cost of great humiliation--they've perhaps all lost power and prestige and take years to regain it, perhaps some of the auxiliary groups are just weakened and chastened.
This kind of split happens innocuously enough. Some subgroup realizes that it doesn't have the power or pull or influence or voice it thinks it's entitled to, and sets up an alternative power center. Maybe it rejoins the collective; maybe it doesn't. But in the meanwhile, while the subgroup enjoys additional power the group as a whole is weakened. Perceptions are often flawed.
Takket
(21,649 posts)i'm thinking that in 2020 we will have another round of elections, and have a presidential candidate and in the meantime there are quite a few good dems who are ready to elucidate to the unwashed and the pretending-to-be-ignorant-media what the party stands for.
tom perez, nancy pelosi, chuck shumer, barack obama, hillary clinton, joe biden. heck, smart media guys could pick which one to talk to based on the question they are trying to answer.
what a concept, eh?
Generic Brad
(14,276 posts)Let's all keep our heads and have multiple leaders.
Wounded Bear
(58,755 posts)Thanks to Will Rogers.
Jane Austin
(9,199 posts)As people say here.
We're out of power. 'twould be wrong to anoint one spokesman.
RandomAccess
(5,210 posts)I may be wrong, but if I am, it was never as goddamned INSISTENT as when it's asked of Democrats. I think it's foolish and pointless. And it makes me angry.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)It's possible that if there are several leaders for any group, they'll work against each other, and the group will become divided.
If we're lost in a forest, we would likely pick only one "captain." We wouldn't select a handful of individual leaders to lead us out of the woods. Altho we might select a handful to be a team of leaders, I suppose. But the team would have a leader.
There is a reason there is only one captain of a ship, only one general of a particular group of soldiers, only one President. Someone must have the final say, or it would be confusing, when different decisions are handed down.
But maybe the team approach would work? But then, the team would have to have a leader...someone to make the final call, since a group of people rarely are in 100% agreement all the time.
not fooled
(5,803 posts)we're not a crackpot cult of personality.
Not that the party doesn't unite behind one or a few people under the right circumstances. Just that we don't need a dump-like figurehead.
question everything
(47,549 posts)searching for and encouraging new leaders who can climb from Park and Recreation Board to County Commission, to state House or Senate, or governor and then to D.C.
This is what many said Obama neglected and he was considered our leader.
Of course, we, Democrats, could not even agree on who should head the DNC...
And I'd hate to think how a "leader" would have reacted to the way many turned on Franken.
uponit7771
(90,367 posts)mopinko
(70,273 posts)oh, like when tweety was asking every damn guest for 3 years if hillary was gonna run for pres. so that he could bad mouth her, shake his head, and tut tut about everything going back to baking cookies.