Minnesotans Dont Think Al Franken Should Resign; support is particularly high among women.

[Casprings]

Pretty interesting new poll. In my view, it’s shows deep social problems with society.

https://www.publicpolicypolling.com/polls/minnesotans-dont-think-franken-resign-franken-remains-popular-especially-women/

[Demsrule86]

1. It shows that women can spot GOP bullshit when it shows up.

Those who jumped on Franken were fooled by the GOP slime machine...much as some were fooled in 16...fool me once etc etc etc.

[cwydro]

2. Spot on.

[Demsrule86]

4. Thank you. There is no benefit to what happened to Franken...and those who led the charge will pay a

price in terms of the presidential primary.

[TCJ70]

6. Except Gillibrand...

...the whole bandwagon mob that formed over this was embarrassing.

[Demsrule86]

12. This is what bothers me...I can't see how she believed the GOP bullshit...and if

she didn't? What was the motivation?

[Alice11111]

31. Yeah, just wonder what her motivation was?

She is so transparent. She is an insult to all women and Democrats. I'm proud of Dems for seeing tbrough her
BS.

[Demsrule86]

36. But that being said...I want her left alone...no primary and any who live in New York should vote

for her. We need all the Dem Senators we can get. I won't vote for her in a presidential primary, but you better believe I would vote for her in a general.

[Alice11111]

39. If she is all we have in the general, probably so.

I just hope theDems put up a couple.of really good candidates. I'm not feeling so good about our judgment after the march to dump Franken. No due process. Blah, blah.

Maybe, I need to take a break from it all, show up to vote Yellow Dog Dem and hope they don't self destruct. One thing we can count on is for Repubs to cheat. It's bad enough to have to fight the lying, cheating Repubs, but when we turn on our best Dems, it feels so hopeless.

[Hekate]

42. Agree. Long game. Eyes on the Prize. nt

[PatrickforO]

52. I don't think she'll make it through the presidential primary.

I'll certainly be opposing her. Due process is sacred. I have no heartburn with Franken resigning, but being railroaded...yep. Big problem.

[MrsMatt]

11. Concur. n/t

[Demsrule86]

13. Thanks!

[betsuni]

24. +1

[uponit7771]

30. +1

[quickesst]

3. And the questionable moral high ground...

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.... Franken's detractors are standing on continues to crumble. I wonder where this leaves one of their major assertions that Franken's supporters are being sexist in "attacking the women" who are accusing him? While I'm at it, I'm still waiting for someone to explain to me exactly how questioning gillibrand's motives for calling for his resignation is sexist as has been asserted many times right here. I really want to know.

Let me edit this to add my own K&R

[Demsrule86]

5. No one can explain that to you because it simply is not true. You can question a person's motives

and it has nothing to do with their sex.

[quickesst]

9. And yet...

... it keeps popping up. Having yet to hear a logical explanation, the old adage comes to mind about it being better to keep one's mouth shut and thought a fool, rather than opening one's mouth and proving it.

[Demsrule86]

14. That is so true...I have opened my mouth in 'foolish ways at times.

[quickesst]

16. I think we all have...

.... at one time or another.

[Demsrule86]

17. Yep, yesterday I went out ....daydreaming. Got out of the car at Walmart and had no idea

where my car was! I swear it took an hour...now that was foolish...very cold. Driving a car with no alarm...bought it used. My kids are driving the good cars!

[quickesst]

21. Hahaha

Had this happen several times. Walk out of the store, look all over hell and creation for my truck, then suddenly realize that I had driven my wife's car.

[Demsrule86]

23. I have done that also...I tend to be absent minded...(family joke). I lose things and

forget things since I was a kid...mostly thinking about something other than what I am doing so I have no conscious memory of where I left the car or put the keys...sigh.

[RazBerryBeret]

27. oh, I know that feeling....

that's why I drive a bright yellow SUV.... never lose it at the mall... as long as I remember which entrance I used!

[Demsrule86]

38. I need a bright yellow SUV that parallel parks itself....they don't teach you that where I learned

to drive Connecticut and since I am moving to the city,I need one of those (Cleveland area).I swear if I had gone the other way I would have found it...but nooooo...I went the wrong way and it took me forever!

[RazBerryBeret]

44. hey, future Buckeye!!

I live in Columbus, OH. Good luck with your move... at least you will be used to the winters! I will be in Connecticut next wed-thursday for business.

[moriah]

19. The only thing sexist in the Gillibrand attacks I've seen...

... was the person who said they blamed/were taking protest action against only the female Senators who had called for his resignation, not any of the men who joined in with them too.

I may have missed a few threads, though.

I am more focused on trying to encourage people in red districts/states who remember not having anyone Blue to vote for in 2016 on their Congressional ballots to search for candidates and encourage them to run, and for people to start making state-by-state manuals for voters to help overcome voter suppression through education. Make sure people know in advance when to register, what their laws are, outlining the provisional ballot process in each state as well so voters know what to do if they're td that's the only way to vote...

And later on, phonebanking and local organization efforts for getting people to the polls.

It's a crying shame that the only way I could vote against the Republican congresscritter my district sends to Washington was to vote for a bloody Libertarian. Even if we can't fund all those candidates the same, we can encourage local level work and give people who want to say no to Trump and what this Congress is doing the opportunity to vote Blue.

[quickesst]

22. Well...

....."19. The only thing sexist in the Gillibrand attacks I've seen...
... was the person who said they blamed/were taking protest action against only the female Senators who had called for his resignation, not any of the men who joined in with them too."

.... I agree with you in this case. That is clearly a sexist statement, and in no way shape or form does it line up with my point of view. Shame on that person.

[Alice11111]

33. I agree that we need to put money toward BLUE

candidates, and provide choices, so you don't have to vote libertarian .

However, G is a waste of money. Too divisive. Too many Dems will not support her. There are hundreds of better Dems to support.

[Alice11111]

32. Read any relevant thread. It is explained repeatedly. Can't miss it.

[quickesst]

50. No....

.... It's not. The sole argument for that assertion is that gillibrand is a woman. I'm not questioning her motives because she is a woman. I am questioning her motives because they are questionable, just as it would be for anyone in her situation. Since the OP is quite hesitant to provide an answer to my questions, I'll put them to you. Exactly how is questioning gillibrand's motives sexist, and what do you say to all the women who are questioning her motives exactly as I am? Should they all be labeled as sexist?
You can't just say "look, it's right there plain as day", and expect anyone with a modicum of common sense and logic to accept that as an answer. Actual substance is called for.

[Hekate]

43. The OP has been the one "asserting it many times here." Good of you to ask him. nt

[quickesst]

49. Yeah...

.... I think it will probably be the twelfth of never when I get an answer from the OP or anyone else.

[BootinUp]

7. Guilty! Sayeth Casprings.

[smirkymonkey]

8. K&R

[quickesst]

10. Can you tell us...

..... what deep social problems with society it shows? In your view.

[Thrill]

15. He needs to change his mind. The hell with the Democrats and Republicans

That asked him to

[BannonsLiver]

18. You seem annoyed.

[rzemanfl]

20. "it's shows" gotta watch that stuff. n/t

[Matt_R]

25. Will you join US?

The CONS shall not win another election. Democrats will sweep the CONS in 2018.


GOTV efforts are under way, will you join US?

[Lotusflower70]

26. Agreed

This Minnesota woman is still pissed about this bs. Senator Franken got hosed.

[dflprincess]

46. And this Minnesota woman is right there with you. nt

[roamer65]

28. Governor Al Franken!

My checkbook is ready.

...and I’m not even from MN.

Al would be a very good Governor.

[onetexan]

35. Yeap, then run 4 POTUS eventually

[roamer65]

37. ..

[democratisphere]

29. Minnesota women still want Al Franken to be one of their Democratic Party Leaders!

That says it all to me!

[regnaD kciN]

34. Who knew there were so many sexist, self-hating women in Minnesota?

[Hekate]

40. A new tack on your "string Al up" crusade? Now Minnesotan women don't get it? Thanks Casprings!

Thanks for Casplaining the issues once again.

JURY: This poster has uncounted posts on this subject on the record here. Please take that into account if someone objects to me pointing it out.

[dflprincess]

47. Oh we get it

and we know a hit job when we see one.

Strange how there have been no more accusations since the Republicans achieved their goal of getting rid of Al.

[marble falls]

48. I think Casprings has more 'splainin' to do than you do!

[ucrdem]

41. Have there been any big-time harassment revelations since Doug Jones won the AL senate seat?

The timing of all those firings and then zip after Moore finally lost seems awfully suspicious.

[spooky3]

51. The harassers were busy jostling for position under the mistletoe, I guess.

[ucrdem]

53. no eggnog for you

and now that we got that out of the way . . . how did those scores of accusers all just happen to make themselves available to the same papers at the same time? The whole thing is way too weird.

[marble falls]

45. DemRage told me this is the best Casprings OP of all!

[bathroommonkey76]

54. Alt-right trolls won this battle

It's a damn fuckin shame all of those Dem senators asked for Al to resign. Spineless fuckers.