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cilla4progress

(24,784 posts)
Thu Dec 28, 2017, 02:38 PM Dec 2017

The left's mistake

was believing rationality would change minds, or even affect in the least, conservatives.

Not science. Not facts. Pres Obama, as well. What we are up against is entrenched, even brainwashed, reptile-brain thought patterns. We need to recalibrate and come at this from a different direction. What would that be? Motivate voter turnout; overcome with our known greater numbers; be more strategic and more inclusive.

They cheat. We need to overwhelm them with the power of good.

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The left's mistake (Original Post) cilla4progress Dec 2017 OP
Rational to us and rational to them ain't the same rational. (n/t) Iggo Dec 2017 #1
Damn cilla4progress Dec 2017 #2
he got the base. the hateful. 'we are not racist' white folk. pansypoo53219 Dec 2017 #12
Build an equivalent Media Empire maxsolomon Dec 2017 #3
Works cilla4progress Dec 2017 #4
Or... Do some work outside of tainted "elections". ck4829 Dec 2017 #5
Fabulous. cilla4progress Dec 2017 #6
That's conservatives' failing, not the left's. Orsino Dec 2017 #7
We need to understand psychology better HopeAgain Dec 2017 #8
This! cilla4progress Dec 2017 #10
It's the art of persuasion.. kentuck Dec 2017 #9
We don't need to change minds gilpo Dec 2017 #11

cilla4progress

(24,784 posts)
2. Damn
Thu Dec 28, 2017, 02:41 PM
Dec 2017

there's got to be a baseline of reality. WE know there is, just impossible to convince them. I mean, I think they DO know; it's just in their cynicism and power grab they manipulate fear, greed, to their ends.

Illustration: Roy Moore's complaint of voter fraud in AL today. A tipping point cometh...if there is any hope for humanity.

maxsolomon

(33,432 posts)
3. Build an equivalent Media Empire
Thu Dec 28, 2017, 02:42 PM
Dec 2017

that also uses carny tricks to dupe the flibberdigibbets.

Except, you know, for Truth and Justice.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
7. That's conservatives' failing, not the left's.
Thu Dec 28, 2017, 02:59 PM
Dec 2017

Facts are what we have to support our GOTV. We could invent talking points, but really all we can do is to talk to potential voters, and try to persuade them to get behind an agenda that benefits the many.

HopeAgain

(4,407 posts)
8. We need to understand psychology better
Thu Dec 28, 2017, 03:05 PM
Dec 2017

The Russians have been using it for decades to make disinformation believable to the masses. They understand that many people allow emotions to override rationality, especially when they mix in fear and victim-hood. These Republicans are learning from, and got the assistance of, truly talented propagandists who have been doing this for decades in Russia and the Soviet Union before.

I don't advocate using fear, racism, false patriotism or any of the Republican hooks, but I do think we need to appeal better to emotions. Good emotions can work to influence as do bad ones. We need to work on a Democratic image...WE need a couple of strongly appealing broad issues to pound on. That is why Sanders is the most popular politician in America right now. If we can't embrace him, we could at least learn from him. We had been very successful with things like the "New Deal" and the "Great Society." But what are we now? "Not Trump" might work for a while, but it will have a short shelf life.

gilpo

(708 posts)
11. We don't need to change minds
Thu Dec 28, 2017, 03:52 PM
Dec 2017

We can't anyway. We need to get out the vote! Mobilizing voters will overall bend in our favor.

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