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egbertowillies

(4,058 posts)
Sat Dec 30, 2017, 07:42 PM Dec 2017

If Trump voters read Robert Reichs list of cons on them will they believe?

Many think it is a fool's errand to try to reach the Trump voters. Invest the time into a base that is more in line with Progressives but who do not vote. Yes, we must. But we must also keep opening the eyes of all those fooled by Trump's con and the Republican failed ideology. Robert Reich did it spectacularly.

https://egbertowillies.com/2017/12/30/trump-voters-read-robert-reichs-list-cons/

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If Trump voters read Robert Reichs list of cons on them will they believe? (Original Post) egbertowillies Dec 2017 OP
SOME will, as some/many are now recognizing his abundant failings. elleng Dec 2017 #1
Oh, I'm all for confronting them with facts Downtown Hound Dec 2017 #2
Belief systems are very powerful. I would think most trump supporters are lost - totally brainwashed NRaleighLiberal Dec 2017 #3
I agree. bitterross Dec 2017 #5
No. cloudbase Dec 2017 #4
Absolutely not. They only believe what he and Fox News tell them. LonePirate Dec 2017 #6
No Snackshack Dec 2017 #7
No, they are 35%ers who will never be swayed. nt Ferrets are Cool Dec 2017 #8
No, and here's why -- RandomAccess Dec 2017 #9

Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)
2. Oh, I'm all for confronting them with facts
Sat Dec 30, 2017, 08:06 PM
Dec 2017

I just don't do with the expectation or even the hope that it will change their minds. I just do it to piss them off and make them look stupid (assuming they're even capable of that level of humility). If, in the process, some minds get opened, so much the better.

NRaleighLiberal

(60,024 posts)
3. Belief systems are very powerful. I would think most trump supporters are lost - totally brainwashed
Sat Dec 30, 2017, 08:11 PM
Dec 2017

to admit they've been taken is too much for their "pride" to handle.

 

bitterross

(4,066 posts)
5. I agree.
Sat Dec 30, 2017, 08:49 PM
Dec 2017

Some of the smartest people I went to college with will not accept the fact they've been played. They keep defending Trump and keep calling telling me to give him a chance.

cloudbase

(5,525 posts)
4. No.
Sat Dec 30, 2017, 08:41 PM
Dec 2017

If they're still believers at this point, there isn't a whole lot that can make them see things differently.

 

RandomAccess

(5,210 posts)
9. No, and here's why --
Sat Dec 30, 2017, 11:24 PM
Dec 2017

They're FASCISTS. To the core. I'm talking about his hardcore base, not all those who voted for Trump -- just the hardcore base:

Like Mussolini, Trump rails against intruders (Mexicans) and enemies (Muslims), mocks those perceived as weak, encourages a violent reckoning with those his followers perceive as the enemy within (the roughing up of protesters at his rallies), flouts the rules of civil political discourse (the Megyn Kelly menstruation spat), and promises to restore the nation to its greatness not by a series of policies, but by the force of his own personality (“I will be great for” fill in the blank).

To quote Paxton again, this time from his seminal "The Anatomy of Fascism": “Fascist leaders made no secret of having no program.” This explains why Trump supporters are not bothered by his ideological malleability and policy contradictions: He was pro-choice before he was pro-life; donated to politicians while now he rails against that practice; married three times and now embraces evangelical Christianity; is the embodiment of capitalism and yet promises to crack down on free trade. In the words of the Italian writer Umberto Eco, fascism was “a beehive of contradictions.” It bears noting that Mussolini was a socialist unionizer before becoming a fascist union buster, a journalist before cracking down on free press, a republican before becoming a monarchist.

Like Mussolini, Trump is dismissive of democratic institutions. He selfishly guards his image of a self-made outsider who will “dismantle the establishment” in the words of one of his supporters. That this includes cracking down on a free press by toughening libel laws, engaging in the ethnic cleansing of 11 million people (“illegals”), stripping away citizenship of those seen as illegitimate members of the nation (children of the “illegals”), and committing war crimes in the protection of the nation (killing the families of suspected terrorists) only enhances his stature among his supporters. The discrepancy between their love of America and these brutal and undemocratic methods does not bother them one iota. To borrow from Paxton again: “Fascism was an affair of the gut more than of the brain.” For Trump and his supporters, the struggle against “political correctness” in all its forms is more important than the fine print of the Constitution.

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