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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhat is life like for the growing child of a narcissist?
Like Barron, for example.
What we see of their family interactions in public are the images DT wants us to see -- images that don't threaten his perfect, all-powerful view of himself. This is not the person Barron and Melania have to deal with every day. They are dealing with a belittling, nasty monster who is expecting them both to put up with all his nastiness AND to worship and adore him.
ON EDIT: The Children of the Self Absorbed is a book that helps survivors of this kind of parenting (though few are subject to the DT extreme) figure out the habits of mind they might have unconsciously adopted (that they would be better off discarding.)
https://wehavekids.com/family-relationships/The-Child-Victim-of-a-Narcissistic-Personality-Disordered-Parent
Due to the disorder, NPD parents have little to no regard for their childs individuality, ambitions, or emotions. This parent is quite simply all about themselves, all the time. This is a very difficult concept for most normal people to grasp; it is hard to relate to a parent who has no genuine concern for their child other than how that child can enhance the parents image, or how the child can be drawn from as a source of narcissistic supply. People with NPD consistently look for and groom people by using charm, false interest, and lavish gifts to get them to commit to a relationship. If they have a child, they have a built-in ego-supplier. An individual with NPD absolutely needs to see reactions in the people around them in order to reassure themselves of an identity. And they do not really care what kind of reaction it is, as long as they get a reaction. So the NPD parent will rapidly transform from the most charming, loving, and giving parent on the planet to the most enraged, unfeeling, cruel parent imaginable (think of the film Mommy Dearest).
The Child's Experience of NPD Abuse
People complain about spoiled children, but children really have very little power over their parents. This is even more true in the case of a child with an NPD parent, since that child intimately knows the unpredictability, implied threats, and intense rages that the parent demonstrates. The child learns early in life to duck and cover by constantly appeasing the childish whims (that change with the breeze) of the NPD parent. The child becomes terrified that if they speak to anyone outside of the family about their very ill parent, no one will listen or believe them, since the NPD parent is a master of the false face in public. Secondarily, the child is terrified that their complaint will get back to the NPD parent, and they will pay a high penalty.
Narcissistic mothers and fathers elicit intense fear in the child in several ways.
First, they may tell the child that they have eyes and ears everywhere and the child can hide nothing from them. One father of three little girls gave them necklaces that he told them they had to wear at all times, because he had special powers and could see everything the children did through the necklaces. They were terrified to keep them on, and terrified to take them off.
Another way that NPD parents incite fear is to make either vague or direct threats to the child that the parent will abandon them, or that the parent will not be able to live if the child is not compliant to the parents will. A child naturally loves and wants to please their parent; NPD parents can never be pleased and the child is never good enough.
Yet other NPD parents make it clear between the lines that if the child should ever be disloyal to the parent, grave and dangerous things will happen, up to an including harm to their non-NPD parent or the child themselves.
The child victims of NPD parents are simply there to supply the parent with admiration and ego-boosting reassurance; the parent needs the child to adore and agree with them always, something that the child gets very skilled at doing when in the presence of the parent. Away from the parent, these children are often depressed, anxious, and morose, as if they have simply given up on being a normal child. While some school counselors or coaches may notice that the child is having difficulty, they may never suspect it is due to NPD abuse, especially if they know the childs NPD parent. Should the child tell the adult about the parent, the child will instantly be suspected as having some innate emotional or mental health problem; this plays right into the hands of the NPD parent when the school counselor calls for a meeting. The child is then caught in an impossible trap: the child gets diagnosed with the mental health problem.
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bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Their minds to be completely dependent on her. Its weird they know she is a selfish liar, but they will defend her at all costs.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)yourself.
If you are treated like an invisible bug, you will have other problems -- but you won't be a narcissist.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)paper over it with bullshit thats supposed to make them look kind. They both freak the hell out when things dont go their way. I feel bad for the one who had mental issues, her mom really did everything she could to further hobble her so she would always have a kid at home. Its been 40 years and her whole life was orchestrated to revolve around her mom. She hated anyone to show independence had to control everything. Now no one knows what will happen to her daughter whos been cloistered away all these years.
HipChick
(25,485 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Dominated my mom and made her feel like crap- that her struggles (my oldest brother became schizophrenic quite young + other sad stuff) were her own fault and always acted like we were second rate and not as deserving as her family. But you know what, despite that, we were happier, and are nicer people because our parents werent sociopathic or alcoholics. They were kind and humble people. Im grateful I didnt grow up any closer to those self serving brats than I did. Ive been done w them for years and its a great improvement.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)Barron is much worse off alone in the White House with his evil father than he would be if he were living in a low income family with at least one normal, loving parent.
He's the bird in a gilded cage.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Folks on Park Avenue, he let me in on his shocking revelation. Those rich people, on average werent too much happier than the people who lived on my street in the Bronx. Some made themselves small and miserable, some happily shared small kindnesses and smiles.
He also noted the most miserable people were the biggest cheapskates- also the people who relied on them the most- even exploiting them- never rewarded them. When his first Christmas there rolled around, he brought me the stack of tip envelopes and correctly predicted how generous each tenant would be, based on their attitudes. He knew. The happiest people were the most generous- even if they never used his help- they were able to give freely. And we had neighbors who were poorer but so much happier than many of them. It was quite a lesson.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Watergate broke out and we were off to the races, LOL. He was the best.
cpamomfromtexas
(1,245 posts)pnwmom
(108,980 posts)at least if you have kids.
Being the child of a narcissist can leave a person with some distorted views, and the book helps with that.
cpamomfromtexas
(1,245 posts)nadine_mn
(3,702 posts)I'm 45 and just finally coming to terms with the sheer amount of abuse I suffered from my mom.
My mental health issues came about in my teens...which is when children start exercising their individuality and independence from their parents. This is the most dangerous time for a child with a narc parent. Narc parents see this individualism and strive for independence ... something all children go through and most normal parents acknowledge is a stressful but necessary part of growing up...as a rejection of them. Once the child no longer idolizes and puts the parent on a pedestal, the narc flies into a constant state of rage.
I was literally a mini version of my mom for years as a child, and was doted upon as long as I worshipped her. She dressed me in matching outfits with her...even my senior pictures had to have at least one that was nearly identical to hers or she wouldn't pay for them. I had to get contacts because glasses would ruin the look. Once I started saying no to her, the abuse ratcheted up considerably.
The blessing for Barron in one respect is the fact that Trump seems oblivious to his existence, that is painful to be rejected by a parent no doubt, but Trump doesn't need Barron's adulation when he has literally millions of people to fill his narcissistic supply. For me, as an only child, I was my mom's only source and she was completely enmeshed with my life up until recently.
I could go on, but it's too depressing. I feel so bad for anyone growing up with a narc parent...it fucks you over hard.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)or you don't exist (even if that means you get squashed like a bug.) You were the mini-me who gave your mother what she needed (most of the time). I hope you've rediscovered your true self since then.
GreenEyedLefty
(2,073 posts)The thing is, I actually like her, but in very small doses.
One thing I noticed about her daughter is that her mother has done nothing but tell her daughter how great, wonderful and talented she is, which created unrealistic expectations and and extreme sensitivity to criticism. Both girls are seniors in high school and play the flute in the band. My daughter is a close 2nd chair... her friend auditioned for a spot in a highly selective university band and received a stinging rejection, as in, "you had no business auditioning for this program." It was a very painful reality check.
My daughter is a member of a flute studio, has been exposed to amazing musicians and has always had a sense of her own abilities, so she never needed me to tell her anything.
Anyway, her friend and her mom (she is an only child) are going to be enmeshed forever. The child is exhibiting symptoms of fragile mental health. I hope she will be okay but only time will tell.
jaxind
(1,074 posts)Poor Barron! We know exactly how he will turn out as an adult...look at Don Jr, Eric and Ivanka to see what poor Barron will end up like as an adult! Trump is the father to Don Jr, Eric and Ivanka and they turned out to be horrible individuals! I don't think Trump was in Tiffany's life while she was growing up...not sure what type of person she actually has turned out to being (don't know enough about her), but she must have some brains because she is at least smart enough to stay out of her dad's debacle of an administration!
Kirk Lover
(3,608 posts)separate lives. This theme continues in the White Trash House. Do you think you would see him ONE time, just ONE weekend over the past YEAR spend ONE Saturday with the kid? Now as a follower..that would make me think...hmmmm that's odd now isn't it?
As a supposed Christian....wouldn't that make me think...Hmmm what kind of man is this? What kind of father to his youngest who needs him the most..not his adult children. This whole CON IS PATHETIC...I mean shit at least if you are going to get conned..make it a good one. Not some obvious bullshit.