Which would harm the moron the most, laundering money or collusion?

[BigmanPigman]

On edit, can he be charged with BOTH treason and conspiracy and/or collusion? People have been charged with more than one crime but which one would stick and he couldn't get pardoned for?

[csziggy]

1. Collusion is not a legal charge, so money laundering

After all, the idiot's casino paid a huge fine for not preventing money laundering after they had been previously warned about it.

Trump's casino was a money laundering concern shortly after it opened

By Jose Pagliery, CNN Investigates

Updated 8:21 AM ET, Mon May 22, 2017

The Trump Taj Mahal casino broke anti-money laundering rules 106 times in its first year and a half of operation in the early 1990s, according to the IRS in a 1998 settlement agreement.
It's a bit of forgotten history that's buried in federal records held by an investigative unit of the Treasury Department, records that congressional committees investigating Trump's ties to Russia have obtained access to, CNN has learned.
The casino repeatedly failed to properly report gamblers who cashed out $10,000 or more in a single day, the government said.

Trump's casino ended up paying the Treasury Department a $477,000 fine in 1998 without admitting any liability under the Bank Secrecy Act.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/22/politics/trump-taj-mahal/index.html

[Roland99]

4. Yeah. And a lifetime ban from the hotel and gaming industry!

[csziggy]

5. See my edit - CNN covered the money laundering in May 2017 nt

[Roland99]

8. Geezus

[TomSlick]

6. You post more quickly than I.

Collusion is not a crime but conspiracy certainly is. It seems clear at this point that someone senior in the campaign conspired with Russia to aid in its attack on the United States' political process.

[csziggy]

10. Oh, definitely conspiracy is what I hope can be proven

But of the two choices in the OP, money laundering is the crime that can be prosecuted - and almost certainly more easily proven.

I might post fast sometimes, but then I have to go back and edit, either to correct typos or to add sources.

[Alice11111]

18. Good post. Geez, he got off with a peanut parking ticket, as usual. Imagine what the Repubs would h

Done with that info on Hillary.

[dvduval]

2. Treason

If it is treason, Pence is out too. If the Dems win the House, their Speaker of the House takes the President’s seat. Please confirm but I think I’m right.

[Alice11111]

19. It would have to be the perfect storm of timing, but it is possible. If the Repubs could find a way

to the Supremes, as they did in Bush v Gore, there is Gorsuch. I fantasize about it too...Nancy in charge.

[TomSlick]

3. I think conspiracy is the more serious crime.

Conspiracy with the Russians to subvert the American political process is a political crime and impeachment is a political process. Money laundering is a tawdry mobster crime. Conspiracy with a hostile government while it attacks the United States is the more serious offense - irrespective the of the potential prison sentences.

[global1]

7. I'm For Whichever Offense Gives Trump The....

harshest penalty.

[herding cats]

9. Of those two I think money laundering.

It’s how you take down all mafia types after all.

[secondwind]

11. I think money laundering. He will not be able to dodge that bullet.

Tax evasion, etc will also sink him. And, NO pardon.

[tanyev]

12. Or all that McDonalds?

Might render everything else moot.

[HopeAgain]

13. 40% of America wont care about any charge.

They will just keep blabbin about emails and uranium.

[Alice11111]

21. LOL, but it is true. Not funny that 40pc are so ignorant or vindictive, or both.

[JonLP24]

14. Whatever happened to "hanged as a spy" from the revolutionary war?

Espionage only applies if you passed along classified information I'm not sure what applicable laws apply but it is far lower than what is actually is going on.

[Cicada]

15. We are not at war with Russia so treason is out

Treason is narrowly defined in the constitution, requires helping an “enemy.” Those writing the constitution viewed enemy as someone we were at war with. Real war, not Cold War.

[roamer65]

16. Money laundering.

Usually open and shut case.

[L. Coyote]

17. Laundering Russian mob money to his campaign would be a good start.

Hiring Russian hackers to spy on the DNC and Dems would be a big deal.

[Alice11111]

20. Good OP, Bigman

[DeminPennswoods]

22. Money laundering

That could also be prosecuted by NY AG Sniederman and other state AGs where Trump owns property.

FTR, conspiracy is the crime, not collusion. Collusion is just sort of the shorthand term for getting together to commit a crime. AFAIK, conspiracy does not even have to result in a crime, it just has to be 2 or more people planning with each other to commit one. Also, again, afaik, you don't have to be in on the conspiracy from the beginning, you can become part of it at any time.