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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe controversy around Michael Wolffs gossipy new Trump book, explained
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/1/4/16845640/michael-wolff-trump-book<snip>
Indeed, some of the things Wolff describes in the excerpts sound so outlandish and also happen to be so hazily sourced that theres already a vigorous discussion in the political world about how, exactly, this book should be interpreted. As fact? As trashy tabloid fiction, as the White House argues? Or as something in between?
From what Ive read so far, my view is that we should interpret the book as a compendium of gossip Wolff heard. A fair amount of it does clearly seem to be accurate. Wolff did get access to the White House reporters have seen him coming and going there this year. He seems to have been in the room for some of the events he depicts. Bannon evidently talked to Wolff a great deal, and he hasnt disputed any of the controversial quotes attributed to him that have already earned him a presidential tongue lashing.
But of course gossip is often wrong or inaccurate. Sources can misstate the facts accidentally, or deliberately. (A source for one of Wolffs anecdotes, Sam Nunberg, has previously admitted to spreading made-up Trump campaign gossip.) And we dont really know how much effort Wolff put into trying to nail down whether the juicy stuff we heard was actually true. Some anecdotes and details in the book dont seem to match known facts; others seem outright impossible to verify. Some people are disputing quotes attributed to them. And Wolff is often deliberately vague about his sourcing.
In other words, the book does seem to be a collection of stuff Wolff heard. How much of that stuff is actually true is a different question one thats much tougher to answer.
samnsara
(17,622 posts)Irish_Dem
(47,124 posts)The known pathology is what we see every day for our selves via his tweets and interviews.
C_U_L8R
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These pre-releases are working just as they were designed to do... maybe even better.
Fascinating stuff.
GusBob
(7,286 posts)All the leaks, all the departures, all the stories of infighting, all the bullshit. From the very first day, Spicer wagging Trump's dick about crowd sizes. Come on people, plain as day
The overall portrait is accurate anyone can see that.
EarlG
(21,949 posts)Whether the content of the gossip is all 100% verifiably true may not be the point -- what's indisputable is that top people in the White House actually said all this stuff to Wolff -- mean, unpleasant stuff about their colleagues and about their boss. On the record.
So if nothing else there's a story which is: wow, look at how disloyal, petty, and vindictive these Trump administration people are, that they would happily stab their co-workers in the back like this to a reporter.
kentuck
(111,101 posts)They have shown themselves willing to lie about anything, especially their "boss". It started with Sean Spicer on the very first day.
What a disgrace of an administration.
What a disgrace of a president.
Orrex
(63,215 posts)And look how seriously The Right took that nonsense!
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Me.
(35,454 posts)HipChick
(25,485 posts)herding cats
(19,565 posts)So, its a verifiable collection of damning statements made by Trumps supposed allies and staff. Whether what they said is true or not isnt even a thing, really, its that it was said at all by these individuals.
Me.
(35,454 posts)Reported that on MJ this morn.
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)MFM008
(19,814 posts)Wish I had it now with my hot chocolate.
underpants
(182,826 posts)As much as we need to demand truth justice and the American way I take this one.
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)And muttered to himself 'what a f****** idiot' or whatever that quote was.
Wolff would've been on Trumps side of the conversation, so did Wolff actually go to Murdoch later and ask 'what did you think to yourself after that conversation?' and Murdoch said ... what Wolff says he said?
I kinda doubt he'd say that to a reporter, but if he did, and really thinks that about Trump, and is STILL giving Trump nothing but fond coverage on Faux ... that's downright treasonous IMHO.
shanny
(6,709 posts)eleny
(46,166 posts)Why they did intrigues me. They had to know who he is. And if not, then they know now. I want to know the back stories, too.
Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)I think Wolff can back up his book.
Kirk Lover
(3,608 posts)MANUFACTURED bullshit for years, in all media forms..so I say...BRING ON THE GOSSIP.