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This wouldn't be happening under a President Hillary Clinton (Original Post) SHRED Jan 2018 OP
I don't think so...even w/ HRC as president...the GOP-controlled SWBTATTReg Jan 2018 #1
An AG under Clinton would not be doing this SHRED Jan 2018 #2
I am not incorrect, I was referring to the repub. controlled congress and not HRC's cabinet... SWBTATTReg Jan 2018 #3
Swbattreg, you're WRONG. if we had elected Hillary, Hortensis Jan 2018 #24
Who is saying I don't "accept" that they are full of it? SHRED Jan 2018 #36
Sorry, agree. :) Radical types claim and believe high purpose, Hortensis Jan 2018 #38
did hc say she wouldn't reverse obamas policies on legal pot? questionseverything Jan 2018 #4
she will support states that are "moving towards" both recreational and medical marijuana legalizati LanternWaste Jan 2018 #5
ok, ty but i hope our next nominee comes out a lil stronger to end questionseverything Jan 2018 #7
Lol, the issue didn't seem to concern you enough to see what her position was JI7 Jan 2018 #8
i just remembereda video clip of her and a mom of a child that used medical mj questionseverything Jan 2018 #9
Anyone who did not support her did not care enough about this issue JI7 Jan 2018 #10
try #2 questionseverything Jan 2018 #11
WE 2left4u Jan 2018 #14
ok i have read thru your response a couple of times and am missing whr questionseverything Jan 2018 #17
If the only reason you'll vote for someone is their stance on legalizing... I want to live where you world wide wally Jan 2018 #19
evidently you didn't read what i wrote since i said questionseverything Jan 2018 #21
Sorry, I missed that and I am glad to hear it. world wide wally Jan 2018 #25
it was patrick, his cousin but he sounds like sessions on mj questionseverything Jan 2018 #30
My gut feeling is that he will try to make it a nonissue and just roll with the flow. world wide wally Jan 2018 #31
for yearsnow democrats have been nervous to come out in full support of legal mj questionseverything Jan 2018 #33
It's contemptible bullshit to make things up like this. yardwork Jan 2018 #20
make up what? questionseverything Jan 2018 #22
This message was self-deleted by its author ehrnst Jan 2018 #39
Did she say she would? George II Jan 2018 #29
No. N/T lapucelle Jan 2018 #34
But if we allow trump to win the revolution will happen that much sooner Eliot Rosewater Jan 2018 #26
You conflate the duties and obligations of the Attorney General with those of Congress. LanternWaste Jan 2018 #6
Obama wasn't putting up any obstacles for the STATES who chose to do this. pnwmom Jan 2018 #12
Just say NO to Jeff Sessions cannabis_flower Jan 2018 #13
Another one of the hate-filled, angry, old white men...this one was handed too much power. C Moon Jan 2018 #15
Jeff Sessions Has A Tell - CONAN on TBS keithbvadu2 Jan 2018 #16
2ff questionseverything Jan 2018 #18
"Lefty cannabis activists" philly_bob Jan 2018 #23
I know some personally SHRED Jan 2018 #35
I'm sure she'd be radical noodle Jan 2018 #37
K&R mcar Jan 2018 #27
Wash State Governor and Seattle mayor said they will protect our rights.. samnsara Jan 2018 #28
Feds can drop in anywhere unannounced SHRED Jan 2018 #32
Things wouldn't be even close to this nightmare. Why I voted for her w no reservation. appalachiablue Jan 2018 #40

SWBTATTReg

(22,133 posts)
1. I don't think so...even w/ HRC as president...the GOP-controlled
Thu Jan 4, 2018, 03:00 PM
Jan 2018

congress would have put up all types of roadblocks and obstacles just as they did w/ Obama...as John Dean said, we need to get all of these GOP traitors out of power...they are only representing the 1% of the 1%, so why vote as you belonged to this class of traitors?

SWBTATTReg

(22,133 posts)
3. I am not incorrect, I was referring to the repub. controlled congress and not HRC's cabinet...
Thu Jan 4, 2018, 03:11 PM
Jan 2018

this is a given, that anyone HRC picked, wouldn't do this.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
24. Swbattreg, you're WRONG. if we had elected Hillary,
Thu Jan 4, 2018, 05:42 PM
Jan 2018

we would also have taken the senate also and even possibly a majority in the house, for sure vastly increased our power in the house.

SHRED's right. This would not be happening IF we had elected Democrats.

I absolutely blame the terminally dysfunctional far left who didn't vote Democrats for all the lies they told (and tell) themselves that lead them to support the dark side.

But SHRED needs to accept that they're what they are, just like the conservatives they in effect joined to defeat Democrats. The worst are not going to change because they can't, and many others because they don't want to.

 

SHRED

(28,136 posts)
36. Who is saying I don't "accept" that they are full of it?
Thu Jan 4, 2018, 11:32 PM
Jan 2018

I met many at a Bernie rally who said they'd never vote for Hillary. It was depressing.

I personally know lefty cannabis activists who call Hillary a "Warlonger".

Letting the perfect become the enemy of the good is for political novices and outright fools.

If I'm reading you correctly.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
38. Sorry, agree. :) Radical types claim and believe high purpose,
Fri Jan 5, 2018, 07:49 AM
Jan 2018

but their actions typically sabotage or just ignore the claimed goals.

There are big similarities between the political behaviors of the radical left and the right. One fall-away group of Sanders supporters is proudly modeling itself on the Tea Party, who predictably self destructed and regrouped around Trump.

Goodness knows, demands continuing here all through 2017 that we still needed to repeal the ACA as too awful to accept and they'd somehow be able to replace it, should have clued a bunch of people in to the destructive core of this coin.

On this very forum some are claiming a large majority of our Democratic senators are too unprincipled to remain and urging people to vote against them -- the exact claim that lost us two branches of government in 2016.

While their inability to cooperate with others means they've never been able to take over the Democratic Party from its liberal factions, they are still able to act as spoilers of all our dreams.

questionseverything

(9,656 posts)
4. did hc say she wouldn't reverse obamas policies on legal pot?
Thu Jan 4, 2018, 03:13 PM
Jan 2018

the only thing I remember about her stance was on medical mj and her saying more research was needed...

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
5. she will support states that are "moving towards" both recreational and medical marijuana legalizati
Thu Jan 4, 2018, 03:16 PM
Jan 2018

"Hillary Clinton, the Democratic nominee, has said that she will support states that are "moving towards" both recreational and medical marijuana legalization.

She has also called for moving marijuana from Schedule I to Schedule II— a move the DEA declined to make in August — which would free up scientists and policymakers to access marijuana for further research.

Clinton, however, is still measured in her support for recreational marijuana. She's said that she doesn't want the federal government to "interfere" with states like Colorado that have chosen to legalize recreational marijuana, and said that she wants to learn "what works and what doesn't work."

http://www.businessinsider.com/hillary-clinton-on-weed-legalization-2016-11

questionseverything

(9,656 posts)
9. i just remembereda video clip of her and a mom of a child that used medical mj
Thu Jan 4, 2018, 03:35 PM
Jan 2018

I didn't need to follow her policies that closely as I knew she was better than bat shit crazy....so there was never a doubt that I would vote for her

but

what I am trying to say is either we had a messaging problem and/or I would like to see our next nominee for pres come out more forcefully for legalization

do you disagree?

JI7

(89,252 posts)
10. Anyone who did not support her did not care enough about this issue
Thu Jan 4, 2018, 03:37 PM
Jan 2018

They instead voted their bigotry by allowing trump to win.

questionseverything

(9,656 posts)
11. try #2
Thu Jan 4, 2018, 03:42 PM
Jan 2018

what I am trying to say is either we had a messaging problem and/or I would like to see our next nominee for pres come out more forcefully for legalization

do you disagree?

 

2left4u

(186 posts)
14. WE
Thu Jan 4, 2018, 04:51 PM
Jan 2018

The only problem WE had was thinking that a candidate who was a World Leader so accomplished, educated, so brilliant, well traveled, well respected...the tip of the spear for leaders world wide...somebody with such an extensive contact list (they had somebody on speed dial to work on ANY issue) would have all the above dismissed because they were a woman.

Even then...having to deal with and push through all the misogynistic crap that dismissed all the above, we never ever thought a candidate (woman candidate for all the misogynists out there) that accomplished would have to run against another candidate (male) shouting "Grab them by the pussy".

Yes WE had a messaging problem. Our candidate didn't think to reach out to only the racist, fascist, wealthy selfish 1% and rapey fucks in America....WE clearly blew it..hence why WE won the popular vote running on a platform for ALL Americans versus just the racist, racist, wealthy selfish 1% rapey demographic in certain states.

Because our candidate had principles...that demographic wasn't an option and only existed to be extinguished.

WE next time shouldn't have split our vote and stayed home because the other nominee didn't get nominated IMHO...policy be damned, some of us got us here rather than rallying for the win.

questionseverything

(9,656 posts)
17. ok i have read thru your response a couple of times and am missing whr
Thu Jan 4, 2018, 05:20 PM
Jan 2018

you answered my question

90% of the country supports medical mj, 60% supports recreational mj

so isn't it time for the democratic nominee to openly support ending the war on mj?

and/or would clearer messaging help?

as an aside, I never dreamed trump could win and don't actually believe he did

the repubs certainly fought having recounts in wis, mich and pa hard enough

I am not blaming hc for not getting her message out but in hindsight WE have got to make sure it never happens again(referring to democratic loses)

world wide wally

(21,744 posts)
19. If the only reason you'll vote for someone is their stance on legalizing... I want to live where you
Thu Jan 4, 2018, 05:30 PM
Jan 2018

live!
I smoked it illegally for about 40 years and I just happen to live in Colorado. It has never been worth destroying our entire country over. Besides, I don't recall Trump ever advocating legalization, so you would have been much wiser voting for Hillary.
I just hope you did. And if our candidate next time is Joe Kennedy lll, I hope you'll vote for him too. I am absolutely certain he will be far more negotiable than Trump and Sessions.

questionseverything

(9,656 posts)
21. evidently you didn't read what i wrote since i said
Thu Jan 4, 2018, 05:35 PM
Jan 2018

hc was an easy choice since trump is bat shit crazy

but

if you think nominating a pot warrior is a good idea, you are mistaken

isn't kennedy the recovering addict? or am I remembering incorrectly?

world wide wally

(21,744 posts)
25. Sorry, I missed that and I am glad to hear it.
Thu Jan 4, 2018, 05:43 PM
Jan 2018

I think Joes brother may have been addicted, but I think Joseph is squeaky clean.
In either case, I like him.

questionseverything

(9,656 posts)
30. it was patrick, his cousin but he sounds like sessions on mj
Thu Jan 4, 2018, 06:24 PM
Jan 2018

What are your views on legalizing recreational marijuana?

I don’t think marijuana should be legalized. If we’re going to say marijuana is a medicine, it needs to be treated like a medicine and regulated like a medicine. But when we look at full-on legalization, the potential danger that marijuana poses particularly to adolescents—I’m not convinced.

http://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/2016/09/11/joe-kennedy-iii-interview/2/

But Kennedy’s teetotalism provides a window into the world of a little-known figure now embarking upon a very public political race. That Kennedy does not drink is not in itself remarkable. What is telling is how others interpret that choice. Some see it as a sign of his determination to steer clear of the demons of drugs and alcohol that other family members have wrestled with - in some cases fatally. Others consider it a reflection of a singular self-confidence. Not every freshman could stand up to a team of beer-chugging athletes with a glass of milk in his hand.

Many of his classmates, however, suspected Kennedy’s abstinence was rooted in a nascent political calculus.

“We always joked that Joe was going to run for president,’’ recalled Matt Twomey, who also played on the lacrosse team. “With that last name of his and the fact that he didn’t drink, it just seemed obvious.’’

http://archive.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2012/03/18/for_the_kennedy_clan_he_is_generation_next/

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hopefully the democratic party does not present a candidate that disagrees with 90%of the country on medical mj or the 60% of the country that supports rec use...that is not a winning strategy



world wide wally

(21,744 posts)
31. My gut feeling is that he will try to make it a nonissue and just roll with the flow.
Thu Jan 4, 2018, 06:32 PM
Jan 2018

Although I think legalization a winning issue.

questionseverything

(9,656 posts)
33. for yearsnow democrats have been nervous to come out in full support of legal mj
Thu Jan 4, 2018, 06:41 PM
Jan 2018

I think the time for that is over

the cost alone of jailing non violent offenders should be enough

but when co legalized it their opioid deaths went down by 75%...that is HUGE

yardwork

(61,650 posts)
20. It's contemptible bullshit to make things up like this.
Thu Jan 4, 2018, 05:34 PM
Jan 2018

This is exactly why the country is being destroyed. A whole bunch of uninformed whiny privileged assholes who believe every piece of crap Russian propaganda that hits their reddit page.

Response to yardwork (Reply #20)

Eliot Rosewater

(31,112 posts)
26. But if we allow trump to win the revolution will happen that much sooner
Thu Jan 4, 2018, 05:46 PM
Jan 2018


God I hate her and will NEVER watch her again and that sucks because she is good and is in good stuff, and if she would apologize I would, but she wont
 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
6. You conflate the duties and obligations of the Attorney General with those of Congress.
Thu Jan 4, 2018, 03:17 PM
Jan 2018

You are conflating the duties and obligations of the Attorney General with those of Congress.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
12. Obama wasn't putting up any obstacles for the STATES who chose to do this.
Thu Jan 4, 2018, 04:32 PM
Jan 2018

And neither would Hillary.

We're going backwards because not enough progressives in key states voted for her.

cannabis_flower

(3,764 posts)
13. Just say NO to Jeff Sessions
Thu Jan 4, 2018, 04:48 PM
Jan 2018

Just say NO to @jeffsessions!

Urge your representatives to support The Ending Federal #Marijuana Prohibition Act of 2017! norml.org/action-cen… #JeffSessions

https://mobile.twitter.com/NORML/status/948970903877988352?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

philly_bob

(2,419 posts)
23. "Lefty cannabis activists"
Thu Jan 4, 2018, 05:39 PM
Jan 2018

You show a shallow understanding of the issues in the 2016 primary and general election. Plus, your post is divisive.

On the other hand, you're absolutely right that this wouldn't be happening under HRC.

radical noodle

(8,003 posts)
37. I'm sure she'd be
Fri Jan 5, 2018, 02:27 AM
Jan 2018

comparing button sizes with North Korea right now... ramping up a nuclear confrontation.


samnsara

(17,622 posts)
28. Wash State Governor and Seattle mayor said they will protect our rights..
Thu Jan 4, 2018, 06:06 PM
Jan 2018

..they aren't going to use resources to bust anyone legally using.

 

SHRED

(28,136 posts)
32. Feds can drop in anywhere unannounced
Thu Jan 4, 2018, 06:39 PM
Jan 2018

Dispensaries and grow operations.
Seize everything.
No stopping that.

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