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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThis wouldn't be happening under a President Hillary Clinton
I am so sick of lefty cannabis activists who refused to vote for her.
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SWBTATTReg
(22,133 posts)congress would have put up all types of roadblocks and obstacles just as they did w/ Obama...as John Dean said, we need to get all of these GOP traitors out of power...they are only representing the 1% of the 1%, so why vote as you belonged to this class of traitors?
SHRED
(28,136 posts)You are incorrect.
SWBTATTReg
(22,133 posts)this is a given, that anyone HRC picked, wouldn't do this.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)we would also have taken the senate also and even possibly a majority in the house, for sure vastly increased our power in the house.
SHRED's right. This would not be happening IF we had elected Democrats.
I absolutely blame the terminally dysfunctional far left who didn't vote Democrats for all the lies they told (and tell) themselves that lead them to support the dark side.
But SHRED needs to accept that they're what they are, just like the conservatives they in effect joined to defeat Democrats. The worst are not going to change because they can't, and many others because they don't want to.
SHRED
(28,136 posts)I met many at a Bernie rally who said they'd never vote for Hillary. It was depressing.
I personally know lefty cannabis activists who call Hillary a "Warlonger".
Letting the perfect become the enemy of the good is for political novices and outright fools.
If I'm reading you correctly.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)but their actions typically sabotage or just ignore the claimed goals.
There are big similarities between the political behaviors of the radical left and the right. One fall-away group of Sanders supporters is proudly modeling itself on the Tea Party, who predictably self destructed and regrouped around Trump.
Goodness knows, demands continuing here all through 2017 that we still needed to repeal the ACA as too awful to accept and they'd somehow be able to replace it, should have clued a bunch of people in to the destructive core of this coin.
On this very forum some are claiming a large majority of our Democratic senators are too unprincipled to remain and urging people to vote against them -- the exact claim that lost us two branches of government in 2016.
While their inability to cooperate with others means they've never been able to take over the Democratic Party from its liberal factions, they are still able to act as spoilers of all our dreams.
questionseverything
(9,656 posts)the only thing I remember about her stance was on medical mj and her saying more research was needed...
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"Hillary Clinton, the Democratic nominee, has said that she will support states that are "moving towards" both recreational and medical marijuana legalization.
She has also called for moving marijuana from Schedule I to Schedule II a move the DEA declined to make in August which would free up scientists and policymakers to access marijuana for further research.
Clinton, however, is still measured in her support for recreational marijuana. She's said that she doesn't want the federal government to "interfere" with states like Colorado that have chosen to legalize recreational marijuana, and said that she wants to learn "what works and what doesn't work."
http://www.businessinsider.com/hillary-clinton-on-weed-legalization-2016-11
questionseverything
(9,656 posts)the war on pot
JI7
(89,252 posts)Last election.
questionseverything
(9,656 posts)I didn't need to follow her policies that closely as I knew she was better than bat shit crazy....so there was never a doubt that I would vote for her
but
what I am trying to say is either we had a messaging problem and/or I would like to see our next nominee for pres come out more forcefully for legalization
do you disagree?
JI7
(89,252 posts)They instead voted their bigotry by allowing trump to win.
questionseverything
(9,656 posts)what I am trying to say is either we had a messaging problem and/or I would like to see our next nominee for pres come out more forcefully for legalization
do you disagree?
2left4u
(186 posts)The only problem WE had was thinking that a candidate who was a World Leader so accomplished, educated, so brilliant, well traveled, well respected...the tip of the spear for leaders world wide...somebody with such an extensive contact list (they had somebody on speed dial to work on ANY issue) would have all the above dismissed because they were a woman.
Even then...having to deal with and push through all the misogynistic crap that dismissed all the above, we never ever thought a candidate (woman candidate for all the misogynists out there) that accomplished would have to run against another candidate (male) shouting "Grab them by the pussy".
Yes WE had a messaging problem. Our candidate didn't think to reach out to only the racist, fascist, wealthy selfish 1% and rapey fucks in America....WE clearly blew it..hence why WE won the popular vote running on a platform for ALL Americans versus just the racist, racist, wealthy selfish 1% rapey demographic in certain states.
Because our candidate had principles...that demographic wasn't an option and only existed to be extinguished.
WE next time shouldn't have split our vote and stayed home because the other nominee didn't get nominated IMHO...policy be damned, some of us got us here rather than rallying for the win.
questionseverything
(9,656 posts)you answered my question
90% of the country supports medical mj, 60% supports recreational mj
so isn't it time for the democratic nominee to openly support ending the war on mj?
and/or would clearer messaging help?
as an aside, I never dreamed trump could win and don't actually believe he did
the repubs certainly fought having recounts in wis, mich and pa hard enough
I am not blaming hc for not getting her message out but in hindsight WE have got to make sure it never happens again(referring to democratic loses)
world wide wally
(21,744 posts)live!
I smoked it illegally for about 40 years and I just happen to live in Colorado. It has never been worth destroying our entire country over. Besides, I don't recall Trump ever advocating legalization, so you would have been much wiser voting for Hillary.
I just hope you did. And if our candidate next time is Joe Kennedy lll, I hope you'll vote for him too. I am absolutely certain he will be far more negotiable than Trump and Sessions.
questionseverything
(9,656 posts)hc was an easy choice since trump is bat shit crazy
but
if you think nominating a pot warrior is a good idea, you are mistaken
isn't kennedy the recovering addict? or am I remembering incorrectly?
world wide wally
(21,744 posts)I think Joes brother may have been addicted, but I think Joseph is squeaky clean.
In either case, I like him.
questionseverything
(9,656 posts)What are your views on legalizing recreational marijuana?
I dont think marijuana should be legalized. If were going to say marijuana is a medicine, it needs to be treated like a medicine and regulated like a medicine. But when we look at full-on legalization, the potential danger that marijuana poses particularly to adolescentsIm not convinced.
http://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/2016/09/11/joe-kennedy-iii-interview/2/
But Kennedys teetotalism provides a window into the world of a little-known figure now embarking upon a very public political race. That Kennedy does not drink is not in itself remarkable. What is telling is how others interpret that choice. Some see it as a sign of his determination to steer clear of the demons of drugs and alcohol that other family members have wrestled with - in some cases fatally. Others consider it a reflection of a singular self-confidence. Not every freshman could stand up to a team of beer-chugging athletes with a glass of milk in his hand.
Many of his classmates, however, suspected Kennedys abstinence was rooted in a nascent political calculus.
We always joked that Joe was going to run for president, recalled Matt Twomey, who also played on the lacrosse team. With that last name of his and the fact that he didnt drink, it just seemed obvious.
http://archive.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2012/03/18/for_the_kennedy_clan_he_is_generation_next/
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hopefully the democratic party does not present a candidate that disagrees with 90%of the country on medical mj or the 60% of the country that supports rec use...that is not a winning strategy
world wide wally
(21,744 posts)Although I think legalization a winning issue.
questionseverything
(9,656 posts)I think the time for that is over
the cost alone of jailing non violent offenders should be enough
but when co legalized it their opioid deaths went down by 75%...that is HUGE
yardwork
(61,650 posts)This is exactly why the country is being destroyed. A whole bunch of uninformed whiny privileged assholes who believe every piece of crap Russian propaganda that hits their reddit page.
questionseverything
(9,656 posts)Response to yardwork (Reply #20)
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George II
(67,782 posts)lapucelle
(18,270 posts)Eliot Rosewater
(31,112 posts)God I hate her and will NEVER watch her again and that sucks because she is good and is in good stuff, and if she would apologize I would, but she wont
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)You are conflating the duties and obligations of the Attorney General with those of Congress.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)And neither would Hillary.
We're going backwards because not enough progressives in key states voted for her.
cannabis_flower
(3,764 posts)Just say NO to @jeffsessions!
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C Moon
(12,213 posts)keithbvadu2
(36,827 posts)Jeff Sessions Has A Tell - CONAN on TBS
questionseverything
(9,656 posts)philly_bob
(2,419 posts)You show a shallow understanding of the issues in the 2016 primary and general election. Plus, your post is divisive.
On the other hand, you're absolutely right that this wouldn't be happening under HRC.
SHRED
(28,136 posts)They call Hillary a "warmonger".
radical noodle
(8,003 posts)comparing button sizes with North Korea right now... ramping up a nuclear confrontation.
samnsara
(17,622 posts)..they aren't going to use resources to bust anyone legally using.
SHRED
(28,136 posts)Dispensaries and grow operations.
Seize everything.
No stopping that.