How exactly do democrats "pound away" at the GOP and trump and what exactly are they

[Eliot Rosewater]

NOT doing that they could do?

Do people think any house or senate member can get on any national news show anytime they want?

Are there not democrats "pounding away" all the time on social media, like Ted Lieu and others?

yes, there are.


Either we present a united front, 100% support of the team we have, or we dont. One way we might take back the house or senate or both, the other way we sure as hell dont.

[unblock]

1. why don't i see huge numbers of unopposed liberals on foxnews? huh? huh???

those liberals must be being too quiet!!

[Eliot Rosewater]

2. Exactly. And the way our media works now, as they feel a responsibility to

righty in that they are less intelligent and responsible than liberals, they usually allow 2 cons to one liberal.

This is done because one on one the con always gets his or her clock cleaned so they need 2 to 1 always.

[mcar]

3. Democrats are pounding away

On social media, traditional media and behind the scenes politically. We're running candidates in all but 20 House races, IIRC. We have a powerful platform.

Seems some want perfection, or at least what they see as perfection.

[thbobby]

4. Pound away on issues

We represent American Values. Pound on trump, but focus and campaign on issues. We will win on issues. We should be wary of getting into pissing match with trump the skunk.

[Eliot Rosewater]

5. They are doing all of that, and pissing matches demeans what they have to do and say

in response to the traitor.

Calling it a pissing match means the dems are flailing away and doing something improper, they arent

[thbobby]

7. I agree

Did not mean to imply we weren't. Tom Perez is doing an amazing job contesting all races and the Dems are on target. We are, however, fighting the MSM on this. It is much easier and more profitable for them to report on bullshit, rather than issues.

[Squinch]

6. We suck at messaging. Saying it is not disloyal.

I should have gotten a robo call from every one of my congress people telling me how the tax scam is hurting me and how Republicans are trying to pick my pocket. Every Republican voter in my district should have gotten a robocall from every one of my congress people outlining how the tax scam is a direct denunciation of everything they voted for, and how Democrats are the ones actually delivering what the Republicans promise.

The Democratic leadership most certainly CAN get on national news every time they want. They should be there now with a disciplined message, the same message from each of them about how the election was stolen, how the democratic process has been stolen from the people and how each new development only reinforces our knowledge of that.

There should be a Democratically proposed plan, the tenets of which have been publicized in all of the above ways and more, about the steps that need to be taken so that elections are not stolen from the people in the future. Every one of us should know at least the top three proposals in that plan because they have been beaten into our heads at every opportunity.

Right now there is a $10 million ad campaign running by the republicans to advertise and lie about the tax scam. Where is our counter-campaign?

Every Democratic congressperson should have put out a press release to all available press outlets to decry each of the following:

Trump's war mongering to North Korea
Turmp's war mongering to Pakistan
Sessions changing the marijuana laws
The decree that oil companies can drill off every states' shores.

They can write op eds and all sign them on these issues. That's a sure and cheap way to get our message coverage. They can take out full page ads in the newspapers, and all sign them, which is another sure way to get our message covered.

That's off the top of my head. None of those things costs much. They've all done a version of every one of those things in order to get themselves elected. Now I want them to do that to benefit me and you.

[Cary]

10. So you excoriate us in the most negative terms for not being positive!

Bravo!

[Squinch]

11. Not really sure what that even means, but it has nothing to do with what I wrote.

I said nothing negative about Democrats, other than that we suck at messaging which we do, and I said nothing about "not being positive."

[Cary]

13. It's a pity that you can't appreciate your own irony

I highly recommend Lao Tzu.

When the Master governs, the people
are hardly aware that he exists.
Next best is a leader who is loved.
Next, one who is feared.
The worst is one who is despised.

If you don't trust the people,
you make them untrustworthy.

The Master doesn't talk, he acts.
When his work is done,
the people say, "Amazing:
we did it, all by ourselves!"

...

Whoever relies on the Tao in governing men
doesn't try to force issues
or defeat enemies by force of arms.
For every force there is a counterforce.
Violence, even well intentioned,
always rebounds upon oneself.

The Master does his job
and then stops.
He understands that the universe
is forever out of control,
and that trying to dominate events
goes against the current of the Tao.
Because he believes in himself,
he doesn't try to convince others.
Because he is content with himself,
he doesn't need others' approval.
Because he accepts himself,
the whole world accepts him.

[Squinch]

14. This seems to be another example of crappy Democratic messaging.

[BoneyardDem]

15. Robo calls? I hang up on ever single one of them. n/t

[Squinch]

17. Well. That settles it. Candidates have used them effectively for a long time now.

But if YOU hang up on them, I guess no one should use them.

And personally, when they are coming from my elected officials who are already in office and not running for anything, I always listen. In that situation I always assume, and rightly, that they have something to tell me.

[BoneyardDem]

18. What data do you have that they are effective enough to sway a majority of the voting public?

[Squinch]

19. I don't have any experience with it in a political arena, though the

fact that they are ubiquitous during election season makes me suspect that the candidates have found them effective.

In my previous career I was a marketing director, and telephone sales were one outlet that was used. It was cheaper and more effective than face to face, mail and email. That was very carefully analyzed for cost and result. I was always quite surprised at how people do listen and were willing to purchase from a reputable company when they are called on the phone.

[BoneyardDem]

20. I'd dare say that phone retail sales is going the way of Sears and Macy's

I may be wrong, but on line sales have dealt a hard hit to brick and mortar, door to door and phone sales.

[Squinch]

21. I'd dare say that there are those who are currently studying what is most effective and that

information would be available to us if we Democrats ever decided we wanted to do some effective messaging.

[smirkymonkey]

16. +1000

Completely agree with this. It's so damn frustrating!

[Cary]

8. Let's expend inordinate energy to please the unappeasable!

[Eliot Rosewater]

9. Yeah, that.

[Scurrilous]

12. ...

[betsuni]

22. K&R