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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI will never vote for any celebrity candidate.
I cannot believe people here are actually entertaining the notion of nominating someone with absolutely no political experience for President. Its ridiculous.
Tipperary
(6,930 posts)Strange, but amusing.
Ferrets are Cool
(21,109 posts)octoberlib
(14,971 posts)Most people who are against Oprah as our candidate want a candidate with experience in government. Franken has that now.
LisaM
(27,827 posts)He really acquainted himself with issues. I enjoyed his show.
Ferrets are Cool
(21,109 posts)regnaD kciN
(26,045 posts)Didn't think so.
Ferrets are Cool
(21,109 posts)I never knew there were actually people like you that existed. WOW!! I'm so impressed that you could get into my mind like that...and still got it wrong.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,239 posts)Codeine
(25,586 posts)Sorry, thats six words. I couldnt do it in one.
Ferrets are Cool
(21,109 posts)Codeine
(25,586 posts)To each their own, I suppose.
Ferrets are Cool
(21,109 posts)I had to comment. It's all good.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)phleshdef
(11,936 posts)Ferrets are Cool
(21,109 posts)that I APPROVE of entertainers in politics. Nothing could be further from the truth. Absolutely NOTHING.
That being said, the title of the OPs post said something that I wanted to point out was wrong. End of that story.
spanone
(135,866 posts)not that i support any.
LisaM
(27,827 posts)He really educated himself about politics on Air America and it was clear from the beginning that he took government seriously. He learned what it was and how it worked (and, sadly, how it could be turned against someone).
He was clearly the exception to the rule, too.
a kennedy
(29,705 posts)milestogo
(16,829 posts)He wasn't as much of a celebrity as some of the names being thrown around. He was well acquainted with politics and highly intelligent.
And even so, a photo from his past career was ultimately thrown at him. What is amusing from a comedian is not amusing from a Senator.
Dave Starsky
(5,914 posts)In fact, he had Wellstone's desk in his office.
Franken isn't a tourist when it comes to public service and politics. I predict (hope) he'll be back again.
Pacifist Patriot
(24,654 posts)blow my socks off like a Franken. I had my doubts about him, but his campaign won me over. Any celebrity would have an uphill battle to earn my trust as a politician.
maxsolomon
(33,384 posts)I'd vote for Honey Boo-Boo's Mom over President Asshole.
I want to win; I want that Fascist GONE.
Renew Deal
(81,870 posts)EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)She is a brilliant businesswoman who actually built a REAL business empire and who has spent her life giving back and fighting for causes we care about.
I'm not saying that she should run for president or that folks on DU should support her if she does. But she should not be lumped together with every other celebrity. They aren't all created equal.
KWR65
(1,098 posts)maxsolomon
(33,384 posts)But you knew that.
emulatorloo
(44,176 posts)uponit7771
(90,359 posts)pressbox69
(2,252 posts)When George Soros dies his soul will be heading in the opposite direction of the Satanic Koch's and Mercers.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)was molested as a child, had a baby at 14, and despite it all, got an education, worked and scrapped and fought her way to the top of an industry run by and dominated by white men, connects with people of all races and classes, fights for ordinary people and constantly gives back can hardly be dismissed as "just another member of the 1%" ...
shenmue
(38,506 posts)Duh.
Everybody starts somewhere.
She probably won't even run. Please stop your shitting.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)pnwmom
(108,990 posts)left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)We've seen with Trump how electing a TV personality can prove a bad idea.
SoCalMusicLover
(3,194 posts)Seems like an EXTREMELY hard worker. She takes pride in everything she does.
Unlike Drumpf, I don't think she achieved all her success through deceit, trickery, greed, etc.
I guess we don't know about all her skeletons, but she seems like a genuine, good-hearted person, who would actually feel some responsibility for making this country work, rather than spending every other day on the golf course, and every day sending out tweet insults to anyone who challenges her.
Kirk Lover
(3,608 posts)samnsara
(17,635 posts)and reckless.
MGKrebs
(8,138 posts)Response to milestogo (Original post)
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Captain Stern
(2,201 posts)I won't vote for any candidate for President that's only a candidate because they are a celebrity. And that includes celebrities that have a 'D' after their name. If the Democratic Party nominates someone who's only 'qualifications' are that they are famous, and have a 'D' after their name, then I will no longer have a 'D' after mine.
Wounded Bear
(58,703 posts)doc03
(35,363 posts)Liberal Veteran
(22,239 posts)Just saying.
Midwestern Democrat
(806 posts)Firebrand Gary
(5,044 posts)If you think that a journalist in the White House is a bad thing, then there is something seriously wrong.
milestogo
(16,829 posts)is a good thing, then something is seriously wrong.
Firebrand Gary
(5,044 posts)The signs have been there for years...
Arnold Swartzeneggar
Al Franken
Gov Hickenlooper
"The Gipper"
They tolerated Bush because they wanted to have a beer with him, even though Al Gore was better in every regard.
Obama had hardly any experience, an unknown. His charisma and talent are what people fell in love with and why they trusted him, to which they still do to this day.
Trump beat an ENTIRE field of experience and some level-headed Republicans. If Democrats want to win before we lose the Supreme Court for the next 40 years, we better wake up and stop playing the game that was. The game that is; is one of a non-insider.
milestogo
(16,829 posts)BigmanPigman
(51,626 posts)left the state of CA in a financial mess and most residents aren't even aware of that.
Reagun is sort of like The Moron. He switched political party affiliations from Dem to Repub and then became the CA gov. I do not personally promote actors/celebrities that run for office. That's just me maybe. I would like a qualified, experienced representative (Franken fits into that category).
regnaD kciN
(26,045 posts)It's an accident of history that he succeeded both of them, decades apart.
BigmanPigman
(51,626 posts)and do not get credit or gratitude from the citizens. We aren't grand standers. Maybe we should sing our own praises for once. We could get more votes that way.
Sancho
(9,070 posts)SCantiGOP
(13,873 posts)Reagan, Trump....
Firebrand Gary
(5,044 posts)Al Franken too for that matter...
SCantiGOP
(13,873 posts)I named two Republicans who had celebrity backgrounds. What would they have in common with Obama and Franken?
ecstatic
(32,729 posts)names that are floating out there? That's our problem.
angrychair
(8,733 posts)And a billion more!
Squinch
(50,993 posts)nominate a political amateur.
Iahotdog
(119 posts)Liberty Belle
(9,535 posts)"Other" gets my vote.
VOX
(22,976 posts)Billionaires Mark Cuban has been making noises about running. Tom Steyer has said he wont run for senate in 2018.
Wealthy celebs? There will be many. Oprah is merely the harbinger.
regnaD kciN
(26,045 posts)I remember various Democrats, back in the days of President Bonzo, holding out hope that Robert Redford would toss his hat into the ring for the Democratic nomination. Of course, anyone knowing Redford would know the chances of that were infinitesimal -- despite his movie career, "Ordinary Bob" is actually a rather shy introvert who would never want to deal with an elected role -- but it was still the conclusion that only a glamorous, liberal movie star had a chance against The Gipper.
For that matter, I remember some Democratic voices in the mid-'80s, noticing that Trump was a registered Democrat (for the time being), holding out hope that he would mount a "moderate" center-left bid for our nomination, on the grounds that "we need a businessman, not a politician."
Everyone was convinced that Reagan had opened the floodgates for non-politicians, particularly considering his popularity ratings. Nonetheless, for the next twenty-eight years, the office was occupied, respectively, by a former Vice-President, a former Governor of Arkansas, a former Governor of Texas, and a former Senator from Illinois.
As I've written elsewhere, I'm personally agnostic on the issue of an Oprah run. Obviously, if the choice in November 2020 was between her and Trump, there's no doubt who would get my vote. But I would have to see her actual ideas and principles, as spelled out during the crucible of a primary campaign, and how they compared to those of any other challenger, before deciding who would get my pre-convention support.
What is troubling, to me, is the correlation with the desires for a non-politician candidate during our dark days of the Reagan '80s. At the time, it spoke more to the vacuum in the Party itself, and I fear the same may be playing out today. In an ideal world, the proper response to the sudden Oprahmania after last night's speech would be to honor her for her accomplishments in the private sector and her inspirational role for multitudes of Americans, but to recognize that we had a whole series of potential candidates who were smart, principled, charismatic, and already had impressive résumés in elected office. Insofar as there seems at this moment to be a lack of such a candidate behind whom the Party could unite, there will always be dreams of a non-politician outsider (in the old days, the phenomenon was termed "the man on the white horse," although, in this case, the gender would have to be changed) who will come in to "save" the Party...and, from what I've seen, Sunday's #Oprah2020 tsunami suggests that desire is in full-swing among Democrats in 2018.
VOX
(22,976 posts)He made a couple of unsuccessful attempts at being the Republican presidential nominee in 1968 and 1976. Four years later, he finally succeeded, so Im not sure I grasp how he opened the floodgates for non-politicians, since he was every inch a politician.
I see the shift to a greater number of non-political candidates as a post-Reagan, post-Bush I occurrence, notably with Ross Perots run at the presidency as a third-party candidate in 1992. A cadre of right-wingers discovered an obscure law that would enable them to force a recall election of Democratic Governor Gray Davis, which resulted in Republican Arnold Schwarzenegger grabbing the governorship in a crowded field that included Arianna Huffington. By the time Arnold departed, California was through with celebs, and went back to old reliable Jerry Brown.
I feel about Oprah as you do: Im willing to listen. Its probable that were headed for an eventual complete integration of entertainment and politics in hopes that such a merger would be acceptable to the masses, and since politics has been its been pushed at us like entertainment for many years now.
I just located a blurb online about another Republican action-stars potential aspirations. Note:
https://www.google.com/amp/people.com/politics/celebrities-who-ran-for-office-elected/amp/
<snip>
Could The Rock be America's next commander-in-chief? The wrestler-turned-blockbuster actor has talked about running for office before, telling PEOPLE he'd consider a run for the top job in the future. The future, it seems, is quickly approaching: The "Run the Rock 2020" campaign committee has been filed with the Federal Election Commission, making Johnson an eligible candidate in the 2020 race.
<snip>
pnwmom
(108,990 posts)either always (3%) or most of the time (15%).
Twice as many trust Trump (still approve of him after this horrendous year); and I bet there are some celebrities who Americans would trust even more than Trump -- so I wouldn't rule out any Dem at this time, even if that person was a "celebrity."
http://www.people-press.org/2017/05/03/public-trust-in-government-1958-2017/
TheFrenchRazor
(2,116 posts)phleshdef
(11,936 posts)joet67
(624 posts)than the Trump Crime Family
LompocDem
(143 posts)James Garner and Jack Lemmon.
They kicked ass in My Fellow Americans! Kind of like what we need right now strangely enough.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0117119/?ref_=nv_sr_1
alarimer
(16,245 posts)And a bit prescient because they were after the corrupt bastard that currently occupied the office. Hmmm, maybe we should study it for tips.
Skittles
(153,185 posts)people like Dr. Phil! and Dr. Oz!
Cobalt Violet
(9,905 posts)We need someone who understands what's going on. Someone with a clue. Not another billionaire out for themselves.
mvd
(65,180 posts)Whether it is Sanders or Oprah or even Manchin (though someone not progressive would be a big mistake), we need to get Trump out of office is he is still there.
Beearewhyain
(600 posts)to not support her, at all. in the primary as it shows something that I would consider a deficit in judgement. I don't want and don't need any more celebrities playing President as there are plenty enough already. I think she is, generally speaking, a fine and successful person and I am not bearing any strong dislike of her but she should stay out of politics unless she decided to start with a lower office.
That said, I think it is folly that after fielding someone who was arguably the most qualified candidate to ever run for the Presidency (Hillary), to run a talk show host and lifestyle spokesperson. Let's let republicans do that.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Being both arbitrary and capricious, I'd call either one of those two professions running for office "ridiculous."
On the other hand, were the policy in place and the platform true to progressive Democrats, I don't think I'd blindly limit myself to what I don't know, and wind up doing quite a bit of position/policy research.
Try this on and see how well it fits around those chips on your shoulder: It aint what you dont know that gets you into trouble. Its what you know for sure that just aint so. S. Clemens