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I will never vote for any celebrity candidate. (Original Post) milestogo Jan 2018 OP
I have learned since last night that du has quite a few celebrity worshippers. Tipperary Jan 2018 #1
I have one word for you. Franken. Ferrets are Cool Jan 2018 #2
Franken never ran for President plus he has a degree in political science from Harvard. octoberlib Jan 2018 #6
He also did a political show for a while. LisaM Jan 2018 #14
The title of the post didn't say PRESIDENT. Ferrets are Cool Jan 2018 #23
I assume you actually read the message text? regnaD kciN Jan 2018 #56
Oh, so now you can assume what I read? Ferrets are Cool Jan 2018 #67
+1 Tarheel_Dem Jan 2018 #17
He did not run for President. Codeine Jan 2018 #24
I was refering to the TITLE of the original post, not the body. nm Ferrets are Cool Jan 2018 #26
I generally respond to the entire content of a post. Codeine Jan 2018 #27
As do I, but that title was so generic that Ferrets are Cool Jan 2018 #28
Fair enough. Codeine Jan 2018 #32
I have one word for you... exception. phleshdef Jan 2018 #54
Touche'. The problem here seems to be that some think Ferrets are Cool Jan 2018 #68
all celebrities are not created equal. spanone Jan 2018 #3
I think Al Franken was an exception, and he'd worked in politics for a while. LisaM Jan 2018 #4
Damn right, and im Just sick hes gone. a kennedy Jan 2018 #7
You nailed it. milestogo Jan 2018 #9
He was a long-time good friend of Paul Wellstone. Dave Starsky Jan 2018 #74
I will never say never, but the celebrity would have to... Pacifist Patriot Jan 2018 #5
If she had a D next to her name, maxsolomon Jan 2018 #8
You will vote for Oprah Renew Deal Jan 2018 #10
Oprah isn't Trump EffieBlack Jan 2018 #11
She is a 1%er. They only look out for other rich people. KWR65 Jan 2018 #13
There are several exceptions to your broad-brush maxsolomon Jan 2018 #30
FDR RFK emulatorloo Jan 2018 #52
This is false on its face, Red Don is a typical 1% and anyone could tell that from get uponit7771 Jan 2018 #53
All 1% ers are not equal. pressbox69 Jan 2018 #65
A woman who was born black and poor to a single mother in the backwoods of Mississippi EffieBlack Jan 2018 #73
Sen. Franken, anyone? shenmue Jan 2018 #12
A political science degree from Harvard is not, in your mind, a qualification? jberryhill Jan 2018 #31
The person you're talking to clearly thinks Franken is qualified. n/t pnwmom Jan 2018 #50
I've already been called 'sexist' for not falling in line. left-of-center2012 Jan 2018 #15
Oprah SoCalMusicLover Jan 2018 #16
I know it's ridiculous, but not as ridiculous as trashbag tRUMP being where he is. nt Kirk Lover Jan 2018 #18
its absurd. Whenever this topic comes up I'm turning the channel. its ignorant samnsara Jan 2018 #19
So, one question: If the choice was Oprah or John Edwards, who would you vote for? MGKrebs Jan 2018 #20
This message was self-deleted by its author Skittles Jan 2018 #21
Same here. Captain Stern Jan 2018 #22
I will never say never... Wounded Bear Jan 2018 #25
I agree, didn't we learn anything fromTrump? doc03 Jan 2018 #29
Never name the well from which you will not drink. Liberal Veteran Jan 2018 #33
I won't either. N/T Midwestern Democrat Jan 2018 #34
Your post is offensive, Oprah Winfrey is an American Journalist turned mogul. Firebrand Gary Jan 2018 #35
If you think that putting someone with absolutely no government experience in the presidency milestogo Jan 2018 #38
You don't get it, the electorate does not want a politician. Period. Firebrand Gary Jan 2018 #44
Oh really? How did Hillary Clinton win the popular vote? milestogo Jan 2018 #63
Gov Brown had to clean up after Schwarzenegger BigmanPigman Jan 2018 #36
Actually, Governor Brown had to clean up after Reagan, too... regnaD kciN Jan 2018 #57
Dems always clean up the GOP messes BigmanPigman Jan 2018 #62
I will vote for the Democratic candidate... Sancho Jan 2018 #37
What could go wrong? SCantiGOP Jan 2018 #39
Interesting that you left out Governor Hickenlooper and President Obama? Firebrand Gary Jan 2018 #46
What?? SCantiGOP Jan 2018 #48
Why don't we suggest candidates instead of just rejecting the ecstatic Jan 2018 #40
+999999999999999999999999999999999999 angrychair Jan 2018 #41
I will vote for a doorstop before I vote for a Republican. That being said, I hope we don't Squinch Jan 2018 #42
I second that statement! Iahotdog Jan 2018 #43
Maybe not in a primary. But if it were a general election between Trump and....ANYBODY else, Liberty Belle Jan 2018 #45
Trump has destroyed the old paradigm. Prepare for candidates from many fields. VOX Jan 2018 #47
That's what they said about Reagan, too... regnaD kciN Jan 2018 #58
Reagan was governor of California from 1967-1975. VOX Jan 2018 #66
Only 18% of Americans trust government pnwmom Jan 2018 #49
word. nt TheFrenchRazor Jan 2018 #51
I agree... they must have legislative experience and/or have experience as a large city mayor or gov phleshdef Jan 2018 #55
*I agree, but I would vote for Pee Wee Herman. He would be better joet67 Jan 2018 #59
My celebrity vote goes to... LompocDem Jan 2018 #60
I love that movie. alarimer Jan 2018 #69
oh but she would surround herself with great people! Skittles Jan 2018 #61
it certainly would be a totally squandered opportunity if she is picked. Cobalt Violet Jan 2018 #64
I would. I am not planning on being picky this time mvd Jan 2018 #70
The introduction of "Dr. Phil" and "Dr. Oz" are all the reasons I need Beearewhyain Jan 2018 #71
And I'd never vote for a copy editor or anyone in tech support. LanternWaste Jan 2018 #72

octoberlib

(14,971 posts)
6. Franken never ran for President plus he has a degree in political science from Harvard.
Mon Jan 8, 2018, 07:21 PM
Jan 2018

Most people who are against Oprah as our candidate want a candidate with experience in government. Franken has that now.

LisaM

(27,827 posts)
14. He also did a political show for a while.
Mon Jan 8, 2018, 07:35 PM
Jan 2018

He really acquainted himself with issues. I enjoyed his show.

Ferrets are Cool

(21,109 posts)
67. Oh, so now you can assume what I read?
Tue Jan 9, 2018, 10:37 AM
Jan 2018

I never knew there were actually people like you that existed. WOW!! I'm so impressed that you could get into my mind like that...and still got it wrong.

Ferrets are Cool

(21,109 posts)
68. Touche'. The problem here seems to be that some think
Tue Jan 9, 2018, 10:39 AM
Jan 2018

that I APPROVE of entertainers in politics. Nothing could be further from the truth. Absolutely NOTHING.
That being said, the title of the OPs post said something that I wanted to point out was wrong. End of that story.

LisaM

(27,827 posts)
4. I think Al Franken was an exception, and he'd worked in politics for a while.
Mon Jan 8, 2018, 07:17 PM
Jan 2018

He really educated himself about politics on Air America and it was clear from the beginning that he took government seriously. He learned what it was and how it worked (and, sadly, how it could be turned against someone).

He was clearly the exception to the rule, too.

milestogo

(16,829 posts)
9. You nailed it.
Mon Jan 8, 2018, 07:25 PM
Jan 2018

He wasn't as much of a celebrity as some of the names being thrown around. He was well acquainted with politics and highly intelligent.

And even so, a photo from his past career was ultimately thrown at him. What is amusing from a comedian is not amusing from a Senator.

Dave Starsky

(5,914 posts)
74. He was a long-time good friend of Paul Wellstone.
Wed Jan 10, 2018, 03:17 PM
Jan 2018

In fact, he had Wellstone's desk in his office.

Franken isn't a tourist when it comes to public service and politics. I predict (hope) he'll be back again.

Pacifist Patriot

(24,654 posts)
5. I will never say never, but the celebrity would have to...
Mon Jan 8, 2018, 07:19 PM
Jan 2018

blow my socks off like a Franken. I had my doubts about him, but his campaign won me over. Any celebrity would have an uphill battle to earn my trust as a politician.

maxsolomon

(33,384 posts)
8. If she had a D next to her name,
Mon Jan 8, 2018, 07:24 PM
Jan 2018

I'd vote for Honey Boo-Boo's Mom over President Asshole.

I want to win; I want that Fascist GONE.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
11. Oprah isn't Trump
Mon Jan 8, 2018, 07:27 PM
Jan 2018

She is a brilliant businesswoman who actually built a REAL business empire and who has spent her life giving back and fighting for causes we care about.

I'm not saying that she should run for president or that folks on DU should support her if she does. But she should not be lumped together with every other celebrity. They aren't all created equal.

pressbox69

(2,252 posts)
65. All 1% ers are not equal.
Tue Jan 9, 2018, 08:32 AM
Jan 2018

When George Soros dies his soul will be heading in the opposite direction of the Satanic Koch's and Mercers.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
73. A woman who was born black and poor to a single mother in the backwoods of Mississippi
Wed Jan 10, 2018, 02:54 PM
Jan 2018

was molested as a child, had a baby at 14, and despite it all, got an education, worked and scrapped and fought her way to the top of an industry run by and dominated by white men, connects with people of all races and classes, fights for ordinary people and constantly gives back can hardly be dismissed as "just another member of the 1%" ...

shenmue

(38,506 posts)
12. Sen. Franken, anyone?
Mon Jan 8, 2018, 07:29 PM
Jan 2018

Duh.

Everybody starts somewhere.

She probably won't even run. Please stop your shitting.

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
15. I've already been called 'sexist' for not falling in line.
Mon Jan 8, 2018, 07:42 PM
Jan 2018

We've seen with Trump how electing a TV personality can prove a bad idea.

 

SoCalMusicLover

(3,194 posts)
16. Oprah
Mon Jan 8, 2018, 07:51 PM
Jan 2018

Seems like an EXTREMELY hard worker. She takes pride in everything she does.

Unlike Drumpf, I don't think she achieved all her success through deceit, trickery, greed, etc.

I guess we don't know about all her skeletons, but she seems like a genuine, good-hearted person, who would actually feel some responsibility for making this country work, rather than spending every other day on the golf course, and every day sending out tweet insults to anyone who challenges her.

Response to milestogo (Original post)

Captain Stern

(2,201 posts)
22. Same here.
Mon Jan 8, 2018, 08:22 PM
Jan 2018

I won't vote for any candidate for President that's only a candidate because they are a celebrity. And that includes celebrities that have a 'D' after their name. If the Democratic Party nominates someone who's only 'qualifications' are that they are famous, and have a 'D' after their name, then I will no longer have a 'D' after mine.

Firebrand Gary

(5,044 posts)
35. Your post is offensive, Oprah Winfrey is an American Journalist turned mogul.
Mon Jan 8, 2018, 09:50 PM
Jan 2018

If you think that a journalist in the White House is a bad thing, then there is something seriously wrong.

milestogo

(16,829 posts)
38. If you think that putting someone with absolutely no government experience in the presidency
Mon Jan 8, 2018, 09:56 PM
Jan 2018

is a good thing, then something is seriously wrong.

Firebrand Gary

(5,044 posts)
44. You don't get it, the electorate does not want a politician. Period.
Mon Jan 8, 2018, 11:39 PM
Jan 2018

The signs have been there for years...

Arnold Swartzeneggar
Al Franken
Gov Hickenlooper
"The Gipper"

They tolerated Bush because they wanted to have a beer with him, even though Al Gore was better in every regard.

Obama had hardly any experience, an unknown. His charisma and talent are what people fell in love with and why they trusted him, to which they still do to this day.

Trump beat an ENTIRE field of experience and some level-headed Republicans. If Democrats want to win before we lose the Supreme Court for the next 40 years, we better wake up and stop playing the game that was. The game that is; is one of a non-insider.

BigmanPigman

(51,626 posts)
36. Gov Brown had to clean up after Schwarzenegger
Mon Jan 8, 2018, 09:51 PM
Jan 2018

left the state of CA in a financial mess and most residents aren't even aware of that.

Reagun is sort of like The Moron. He switched political party affiliations from Dem to Repub and then became the CA gov. I do not personally promote actors/celebrities that run for office. That's just me maybe. I would like a qualified, experienced representative (Franken fits into that category).

regnaD kciN

(26,045 posts)
57. Actually, Governor Brown had to clean up after Reagan, too...
Tue Jan 9, 2018, 01:51 AM
Jan 2018

It's an accident of history that he succeeded both of them, decades apart.

BigmanPigman

(51,626 posts)
62. Dems always clean up the GOP messes
Tue Jan 9, 2018, 08:16 AM
Jan 2018

and do not get credit or gratitude from the citizens. We aren't grand standers. Maybe we should sing our own praises for once. We could get more votes that way.

Firebrand Gary

(5,044 posts)
46. Interesting that you left out Governor Hickenlooper and President Obama?
Mon Jan 8, 2018, 11:43 PM
Jan 2018

Al Franken too for that matter...

SCantiGOP

(13,873 posts)
48. What??
Tue Jan 9, 2018, 12:24 AM
Jan 2018

I named two Republicans who had celebrity backgrounds. What would they have in common with Obama and Franken?

ecstatic

(32,729 posts)
40. Why don't we suggest candidates instead of just rejecting the
Mon Jan 8, 2018, 10:04 PM
Jan 2018

names that are floating out there? That's our problem.

Squinch

(50,993 posts)
42. I will vote for a doorstop before I vote for a Republican. That being said, I hope we don't
Mon Jan 8, 2018, 10:10 PM
Jan 2018

nominate a political amateur.

Liberty Belle

(9,535 posts)
45. Maybe not in a primary. But if it were a general election between Trump and....ANYBODY else,
Mon Jan 8, 2018, 11:43 PM
Jan 2018

"Other" gets my vote.

VOX

(22,976 posts)
47. Trump has destroyed the old paradigm. Prepare for candidates from many fields.
Mon Jan 8, 2018, 11:51 PM
Jan 2018

Billionaires — Mark Cuban has been making noises about running. Tom Steyer has said he won’t run for senate in 2018.

Wealthy celebs? There will be many. Oprah is merely the harbinger.

regnaD kciN

(26,045 posts)
58. That's what they said about Reagan, too...
Tue Jan 9, 2018, 02:13 AM
Jan 2018

I remember various Democrats, back in the days of President Bonzo, holding out hope that Robert Redford would toss his hat into the ring for the Democratic nomination. Of course, anyone knowing Redford would know the chances of that were infinitesimal -- despite his movie career, "Ordinary Bob" is actually a rather shy introvert who would never want to deal with an elected role -- but it was still the conclusion that only a glamorous, liberal movie star had a chance against The Gipper.

For that matter, I remember some Democratic voices in the mid-'80s, noticing that Trump was a registered Democrat (for the time being), holding out hope that he would mount a "moderate" center-left bid for our nomination, on the grounds that "we need a businessman, not a politician."

Everyone was convinced that Reagan had opened the floodgates for non-politicians, particularly considering his popularity ratings. Nonetheless, for the next twenty-eight years, the office was occupied, respectively, by a former Vice-President, a former Governor of Arkansas, a former Governor of Texas, and a former Senator from Illinois.

As I've written elsewhere, I'm personally agnostic on the issue of an Oprah run. Obviously, if the choice in November 2020 was between her and Trump, there's no doubt who would get my vote. But I would have to see her actual ideas and principles, as spelled out during the crucible of a primary campaign, and how they compared to those of any other challenger, before deciding who would get my pre-convention support.

What is troubling, to me, is the correlation with the desires for a non-politician candidate during our dark days of the Reagan '80s. At the time, it spoke more to the vacuum in the Party itself, and I fear the same may be playing out today. In an ideal world, the proper response to the sudden Oprahmania after last night's speech would be to honor her for her accomplishments in the private sector and her inspirational role for multitudes of Americans, but to recognize that we had a whole series of potential candidates who were smart, principled, charismatic, and already had impressive résumés in elected office. Insofar as there seems at this moment to be a lack of such a candidate behind whom the Party could unite, there will always be dreams of a non-politician outsider (in the old days, the phenomenon was termed "the man on the white horse," although, in this case, the gender would have to be changed) who will come in to "save" the Party...and, from what I've seen, Sunday's #Oprah2020 tsunami suggests that desire is in full-swing among Democrats in 2018.

VOX

(22,976 posts)
66. Reagan was governor of California from 1967-1975.
Tue Jan 9, 2018, 09:54 AM
Jan 2018

He made a couple of unsuccessful attempts at being the Republican presidential nominee in 1968 and 1976. Four years later, he finally succeeded, so I’m not sure I grasp how he “opened the floodgates for non-politicians,” since he was every inch a politician.

I see the shift to a greater number of non-political candidates as a post-Reagan, post-Bush I occurrence, notably with Ross Perot’s run at the presidency as a third-party candidate in 1992. A cadre of right-wingers discovered an obscure law that would enable them to force a recall election of Democratic Governor Gray Davis, which resulted in Republican Arnold Schwarzenegger grabbing the governorship in a crowded field that included Arianna Huffington. By the time Arnold departed, California was through with celebs, and went back to “old reliable” Jerry Brown.

I feel about Oprah as you do: I’m willing to listen. It’s probable that we’re headed for an eventual complete integration of entertainment and politics — in hopes that such a merger would be acceptable to the masses, and since politics has been it’s been pushed at us like entertainment for many years now.

I just located a blurb online about another Republican action-star’s potential aspirations. Note:
https://www.google.com/amp/people.com/politics/celebrities-who-ran-for-office-elected/amp/
<snip>
Could The Rock be America's next commander-in-chief? The wrestler-turned-blockbuster actor has talked about running for office before, telling PEOPLE he'd consider a run for the top job in the future. The future, it seems, is quickly approaching: The "Run the Rock 2020" campaign committee has been filed with the Federal Election Commission, making Johnson an eligible candidate in the 2020 race.
<snip>

pnwmom

(108,990 posts)
49. Only 18% of Americans trust government
Tue Jan 9, 2018, 12:44 AM
Jan 2018

either always (3%) or most of the time (15%).

Twice as many trust Trump (still approve of him after this horrendous year); and I bet there are some celebrities who Americans would trust even more than Trump -- so I wouldn't rule out any Dem at this time, even if that person was a "celebrity."

http://www.people-press.org/2017/05/03/public-trust-in-government-1958-2017/

 

phleshdef

(11,936 posts)
55. I agree... they must have legislative experience and/or have experience as a large city mayor or gov
Tue Jan 9, 2018, 01:47 AM
Jan 2018

LompocDem

(143 posts)
60. My celebrity vote goes to...
Tue Jan 9, 2018, 02:57 AM
Jan 2018

James Garner and Jack Lemmon.

They kicked ass in My Fellow Americans! Kind of like what we need right now strangely enough.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0117119/?ref_=nv_sr_1

alarimer

(16,245 posts)
69. I love that movie.
Tue Jan 9, 2018, 11:04 AM
Jan 2018

And a bit prescient because they were after the corrupt bastard that currently occupied the office. Hmmm, maybe we should study it for tips.

Cobalt Violet

(9,905 posts)
64. it certainly would be a totally squandered opportunity if she is picked.
Tue Jan 9, 2018, 08:23 AM
Jan 2018

We need someone who understands what's going on. Someone with a clue. Not another billionaire out for themselves.

mvd

(65,180 posts)
70. I would. I am not planning on being picky this time
Tue Jan 9, 2018, 01:38 PM
Jan 2018

Whether it is Sanders or Oprah or even Manchin (though someone not progressive would be a big mistake), we need to get Trump out of office is he is still there.

Beearewhyain

(600 posts)
71. The introduction of "Dr. Phil" and "Dr. Oz" are all the reasons I need
Tue Jan 9, 2018, 02:29 PM
Jan 2018

to not support her, at all. in the primary as it shows something that I would consider a deficit in judgement. I don't want and don't need any more celebrities playing President as there are plenty enough already. I think she is, generally speaking, a fine and successful person and I am not bearing any strong dislike of her but she should stay out of politics unless she decided to start with a lower office.

That said, I think it is folly that after fielding someone who was arguably the most qualified candidate to ever run for the Presidency (Hillary), to run a talk show host and lifestyle spokesperson. Let's let republicans do that.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
72. And I'd never vote for a copy editor or anyone in tech support.
Tue Jan 9, 2018, 02:30 PM
Jan 2018

Being both arbitrary and capricious, I'd call either one of those two professions running for office "ridiculous."

On the other hand, were the policy in place and the platform true to progressive Democrats, I don't think I'd blindly limit myself to what I don't know, and wind up doing quite a bit of position/policy research.

Try this on and see how well it fits around those chips on your shoulder: “It ain’t what you don’t know that gets you into trouble. It’s what you know for sure that just ain’t so.” S. Clemens

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