Democrats will never learn

[angrychair]

It seems we are never going to learn that republicans are not honest brokers. They do not play fair and are narcissistic, xenophobic racist. ALL OF THEM.
Republicans don’t give a shit about you, no matter the color of your skin or socioeconomic spot in life but especially the poor, the disenfranchised, immigrants or people of color. They are in this game for power and wealth.

Why was Dick Durbin willing to be in a meeting with several republicans, including trump, by himself?
At the very least, as soon as he knew his situation he should have backed out of that meeting.

That was clearly a setup to screw over Democrats.

Fuck republicans. Every second of of every day, every Democrat, from me to you to every House Representative and Senator’s day should be spent ensuring that we vote as many republicans out of office as humanly possible.

Nothing else matters. Advocate against republicans from now till November like you life depends on it because it likely does.

[Wellstone ruled]

1. Looks like today may be

the change agent the Democratic Party needed to come to grips with the Kid Gloves Crap.

[loyalsister]

2. So they should make no effort to learn details?

The details of what republicans ar up to. Should they just allow the GOP to plan on how to blind side us in official meetings held behind closed doors?

Ignorance is not a sensible strategy.

[angrychair]

8. Yes

If republicans follow the normal process, starting a bill in the proper subcommittee and committee and bring it to the floor through the normal process than Democrats will know about it and we can plan for it.

If they ram a bill through, don’t follow the process and bring it to the floor for a partyline only vote than we shouldn’t even show up. They should own that bill with no participation from Democrats.

[loyalsister]

9. "If they ram a bill through"

You mean ramming through a bill that they wrote behind closed doors when a Democrat could have been there and chose to keep the whole party and country ignorant?

Maintaining ignorance enables them more than anything.

[angrychair]

13. We are not invited to those meetings

And as a minority party cannot “invite” ourselves.

The ACA repeal bills and the tax bill were done outside the process and behind closed doors. Democrats were not invited or welcome.

[loyalsister]

14. He was at a ground work meeting

The ones they have before the bill is written. If Dems don't show up when they can, how are they going to be prepared with arguments and amendments?

[Phoenix61]

3. I disagree about him backing out of the meeting

That would have been framed that the dems were not willing to work on a bipartisan bill. I'm glad he was there and was willing to speak out or we never would have known what was said. How is that a set up for dems? I don't think anyone is doubting that Twilter made those statements. If it was a set up I think it backfired. The repubs just end up looking like the racist assholes they are.

[NCTraveler]

4. Seriously?

"Why was Dick Durbin willing to be in a meeting with several republicans, including trump, by himself? "

One of the reasons we are owning this news cycle is because he was there. We have to stay involved. Your logic here is extremely flawed.

"Advocate against republicans from now till November like you life depends on it because it likely does. "

We seem to be doing a very solid job at that. I still expect my representative to fight for Amnesty at every turn.

I'm noticing an increase in this style of attack as Democrats look stronger and stronger.

[brooklynite]

5. I have no idea what your argument is...

Whether or not Trump was prepared to make a deal, what's the evidence that this was a "setup".

[Chasstev365]

6. The Democratic Party Needs 3 Things and they can trounce the GOP:

1. A sharp, simple message calling out the GOP for letting the Trump Shitshow continue and their naked greed.

2. No fear of articulating a message that states what the Democratic Party stands for and that they will end the Republican madness.

3. A younger generation of new dynamic leaders.

Whether they do it or not, I don't know, but if they would stop being so GOD DAM cautious, they can win BIGLY!

[Squinch]

7. No. If Durbin was not there, this would never have been reported.

We need a record of all his racist comments.

Mind you, I think its a waste of our headspace to make it the topic of a whole news cycle. This will disappear like all the other "sinking to new lows" stunningly racist comments he has made, many of which are just as racist as this one and most of which were forgotten with the next crisis.

But we need to record and regularly publish his racist actions in the aggregate.

That being said, I'd much prefer to see him being crucified for allowing my fellow citizens in Puerto Rico to die without assistance after the hurricane - an ongoing problem even today. I'd much prefer Republicans crucified for allowing children to die without CHIP. I'd much rather we keep our eyes on all the Fusion GPS information, which will certainly bring him down when it is validated, and most of it is already validated.

I'd much prefer that racist comments from the shithole republican president be published as a growing list. No one of them is worse than any others, and all of them together never let us lose track of what we are up against.

[meadowlander]

10. You mean because we waste time attacking people like Durbin instead of Republicans?

[awesomerwb1]

11. I heard that part of the anti-immigrant

brigade of the reps showed up unbeknownst to Durbin. Very good thing that he stayed.

[NurseJackie]

12. Oh brother... here we go again. A thread to slam Democrats and our party leadership?

Really now, I get that you may be frustrated and angry, but no good purpose comes from this type of "attack" or wild speculation. Seriously.

It seems we are never going to learn that republicans are not honest brokers.

So you're saying that Democrats are too stupid to learn, or too stubborn to learn? Which one? Maybe you're saying that Democrats are too naive? (Please clarify.)

Why was Dick Durbin willing to be in a meeting with several republicans, including trump, by himself?
At the very least, as soon as he knew his situation he should have backed out of that meeting.

Ah... so you're saying the Durbin is the one who's foolish or naive? I can't tell for sure what you're suggesting, but it's obvious that you don't think very highly of him.

That was clearly a setup to screw over Democrats.

I don't see any evidence of that.

I completely agree with the rest of your post!

[angrychair]

15. To be more clear

Not meant to bash Democrats but offer what is hopefully taken as constructive criticism.

To stubborn...I wouldn’t say naive...for me it’s the Lucy and Charlie Brown football analogy...we really want to believe the best of people and that we will finally get to kick the football but they always pull it away.

Any meeting you walk into where you position is outnumbered 7-1 is always a setup.

[NurseJackie]

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[Cha]

18. Hey Jackie.. Senator Durbin did a fine job!

"Dick Durbin on live now, calling the President a liar."

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=10090401

[NurseJackie]

19. I know. It's unfair for anyone to insinuate that he's a fool, or that he doesn't know...

It's unfair for anyone to insinuate that he's a fool, or that he doesn't know or understand what's going on around him. He's not naive, and it would be foolish for him (or anyone) to refuse to attend simply because he was "outnumbered". He's doing his job under incredibly difficult and one-sided circumstances.

I AM THRILLED THAT HE WAS THERE!! If he'd refused to attend... it's unlikely that we'd have heard what actually went on.

[Cha]

20. Exactly. Senator Durbin did his job..

he knew what he was doing and look what happened.

"He's describing the meeting. Said so-called president used the term "Shithole" -- yes, he actually said it on air, live -- and he said Trump used the term repeatedly."

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=10090401

[Cha]

17. "Dick Durbin on live now, calling the President a liar."

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=10090401

What do you have to say about Senator Dick Durbin now?