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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHow do you fight against the ignorance of the Deplorables
since their beliefs are not based in Logic and Reason?
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)And intone, very deliberately, "You . . . don't know what you're talking about, do you?"
The conversation ends at that point.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Let 'em live in their shithole universe.
TheBlackAdder
(28,211 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)hlthe2b
(102,360 posts)maxsolomon
(33,400 posts)ask another question, etc. until the light bulb goes off, or they melt down.
It's incredibly boring when it's not infuriating, but I know of no other way except to make them feel like they're being heard, not yelled at.
And don't expect it to work.
Kirk Lover
(3,608 posts)50 Shades Of Blue
(10,043 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)People who defend the shithole President are no different than flat earthers and Holocaust deniers.
At the end of the day they are imprisoned by their biases, by their prejudices and by the weight of their own ineffectual anger and impotent rage, and no amount of rational discussion can free them from it. It's something they must do on their own.
It's one (of many) reason I believe the milquetoast requests to reach out to them after the election were as dull-witted as they were meaningless.
Beausoleil
(2,845 posts)You are never going to change them, get them to suddenly understand logic, appeal to their sense of decency and patriotism. This is a fight against a cult and you will not be able to deprogram 1/3 of the population.
The only answer is to completely overwhelm them at the ballot box repeatedly and eventually they will lose their enthusiasm and scurry back into the woodworks.
HipChick
(25,485 posts)Freedomofspeech
(4,228 posts)I quit speaking to any acquaintance that I know supported that piece of crap. I have no regrets.
HipChick
(25,485 posts)Retired, watches Faux News 24/7....the stuff she comes up with, just
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)And stick together!
haele
(12,676 posts)I just look at them with pity and say "You must feel lucky you've been able to make your world so very small, don't you?" and try to remove myself from them.
No use arguing with them, and they will refuse to accept anything you say as reality.
Sometimes, I might add "and your god" after "your world", if they shove their faux Xtianity in people's faces.
Haele
Floyd R. Turbo
(26,585 posts)Screw em!
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... and that's sad. It makes things more challenging and difficult than it needs to be.
At some point, it becomes a waste of time and a counterproductive distraction to try and deal with them. If they're NEVER going to change, then why bother? Best to just marginalize them as best we can and move on to motivate enough other reasonable and rational people that will overwhelm them at the voting booth.
Abouttime
(675 posts)Many of the deplorables will self-incarcerate by rebelling against the legitimate government or commit suicide by cop fighting against the National Guard that quickly crushes their hissy fit of a reaction to the incarceration of the trump cabal and repuke leadership.
Screw these assholes they are truly deplorable. I hope those that arent shot down on the street rot in prisons.
hunter
(38,327 posts)The Electoral College is another problem, but tougher to solve.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)nowadays if a teacher tries to teach logic, reason, and/or critical thinking they are run out of town on a rail! They have been dismantling our education system since Reagun took office
Aristus
(66,462 posts)It gives me a headache just trying to think down to that level...
Arkansas Granny
(31,530 posts)They get angry when you use fact, logic and reason to disprove their lies and deception.
moondust
(20,006 posts)CNN visited some Trump supporters in Youngstown, OH, who claim to be Democrats. Probably should have asked for specifics when they voiced their generally positive impressions.
SeaDoo77
(540 posts)They should not be allowed to vote.
bluestarone
(17,030 posts)up is up down is down right is right left is left and they would DISAGREE ON EVERY ONE So fuckin forget them
LuvLoogie
(7,028 posts)OnDoutside
(19,970 posts)the majority 65% and GOTV.
TeamPooka
(24,254 posts)pecosbob
(7,543 posts)I successfully convinced my dentist to change the channel in her waiting room that played Fox Noise all day. Now they play Disney videos for the kids. Simply threatened to find another dentist. Let them know every time they puy their tin foil hats on in public they're going to lose money, lose their jobs, lose their 'friends'.
Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)ass wiping paper that is not made by the Koch Bros??????
Guilded Lilly
(5,591 posts)can slither back under the rocks from whence they came.
femmedem
(8,207 posts)If they are not too far gone, there is a lot to be said for nonviolent resistance. I remember being a little girl and watching the civil rights struggles on the television. The dignity and courage with which people faced beatings, dogs and hoses swayed many white people. Maybe it didn't sway the most deplorable, but it opened the hearts of many others who might otherwise not have chosen a side.
Edited to add: you might want to watch PBS's movie based on a book James Baldwin never finished: I Am Not Your Negro.
lindysalsagal
(20,730 posts)So, you can't. Laugh in their faces. Walk away. Organize.
Justice
(7,188 posts)This is the CNN piece -
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/01/16/cnn_focus_group_what_trump_supporters_think_one_year_later.html
Youngstown, Ohio
Two white males and black male, a black and a white woman.
Pastor to student to machine worker to stay at home grandmother.
Listen to it and tell me, what do you think you can do to "fight" against them.
Cracklin Charlie
(12,904 posts)GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)Before hurricane Irma needed some tree work done. Called a guy out for an estimate. Probably would have hired him. Till I saw the Trump/Pence sticker on his company truck.
I politely told him I do not care who he voted for and will happily hire a republican. But since he chose to politicize his business I will too and cannot hire him. He was surprised but did not become rude. Shook his head and he left.
Found my courage, pulled out the chain saw and dropped the tree myself.
Change his mind...of course not. But I certainly made him realize that not all white guys in his economic class agree with him.
SoCalDem
(103,856 posts)the deplorables will soon die off from their stupidity and hatred..
NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)We must get people with a connected brain stem to get out to vote and leave the nut jobs in their basements.