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(6,288 posts)Irish_Dem
(47,390 posts)Don't act so surprised Bill.
Nitram
(22,877 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(49,036 posts)Nitram
(22,877 posts)for the man who backed Sarah Palin and invading Iran. Please correct my "binary thinking" with some insight on why Kristol should not be ignored.
RandomAccess
(5,210 posts)because he's a thought leader -- and
because he's got almost 300,000 followers on Twitter -- and
because sometimes he's funny as hell -- and
because we need allies wherever we can find them in order to save our democracy.
cab67
(3,007 posts)RandomAccess
(5,210 posts)also to some extent on MSNBC
Very intelligent, dry and witty commentary. Might not be your taste, but it's definitely mine.
When I went to Twitter a bit ago and ready through his recent tweets, several caused me to LOL.
Fortinbras Armstrong
(4,473 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)moderate conservatism could make a comeback. He's among those who were trying to establish an intellectual basis for those gut feelings that are conservatism when the Koch types so rudely interrupted.
Conservatism has no long-developed intellectual basis to help guide its application. Very unlike liberalism, with roots in the Enlightenment through the establishment of our nation to today.
"We believe these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal..." is liberal principle applied then as it is now.
As Americans, today's conservatives inherited that legacy also, but their gut feelings so often disagree. In some, very strongly.
Nitram
(22,877 posts)Buckley would have hated Trump, btw. But his support helped Regan get elected, and what's going on now is directly related to Reagan's ideology.
Hekate
(90,793 posts)Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)Nitram
(22,877 posts)Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)But he often directs some of his vitriol towards he who shall not be named.
JI7
(89,264 posts)Nitram
(22,877 posts)Kristol is one of the people who cleared the way for a Trump in the White House. I'm not going to let him disavow his handiwork now.
Bradshaw3
(7,529 posts)He's been critical of dump all along. It's debatable that his neoliberal economics, establishment repub philosophy led to dump and his faux populism and nationalism. Kristol is certainly culpable for Iraq and a number of other odious policies but he has always been an anti-trumper and should be applauded for that.
erronis
(15,328 posts)They have been willing to go along with the debasement of the repuglican party and thus the multi-party democratic system - probably since the grade-B actor sweet-smiled his way into the heart of america.
I expect pundits to be critical thinkers and willing to call bs when they see it - whether on their side of an issue or the other. While it's not black and white and there are lots of shades of many colors, once a 'spert starts to spurt one one side or the other, they become supporters.
It is very difficult to be objective when there are emotional discussions. And especially when your reputation and livelihood depend on you taking a position and driving dissent and "page views".
Nitram
(22,877 posts)Sarah Palin was the Gateway VP pick that has led directly to the Trump election. I don't buy his conversion. Way too little, way too late. I can't imagine how a progressive of any stripe could be an apologist for Kristol.
Bradshaw3
(7,529 posts)It wasn't a "conversion". Kristol opposed dump from the very start of the primaries.
Nitram
(22,877 posts)must have undergone a conversation to oppose Trump. But go ahead and love you some Billy Kristol. He probably needs it.
xor
(1,204 posts)He's actually pretty obsessed with really hating Trump. Which is obviously not a bad thing, and I for one 100% welcome it.
Gothmog
(145,554 posts)KG
(28,752 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)Someone asked me about that?
PatSeg
(47,586 posts)but I'll give him credit when he is right. I can't believe how many conservatives have been making sense lately.
NewJeffCT
(56,829 posts)it's funny how many Republican pundits and former Congressmen seem to grow hearts and/or brains.
Kristol, Rick Wilson, Steve Schmidt, Ana Navarro, Jennifer Rubin, etc
FakeNoose
(32,748 posts)... because most of them did take the handouts. Now we're hearing from the ones who didn't.
PatSeg
(47,586 posts)Also for those who haven't been tainted by Russian money, Trump in the White House is like a Snake Pit effect I think. "Shit, even I can't go along with THAT."
Mopar151
(9,997 posts)Once you remove Grover's threat of electoral ruin (being "primaried", and.or cut off from PAC money), they start to breathe oxygen again....
When a republican is running for office or in office or representing someone in office, you can't believe a word they say. I used to fast forward when some of them showed up on TV, because I didn't need to hear the same old prepackaged talking points.
Jennifer Rubin is one who really has surprised me. Before Trump, I could not stand her, but now she makes a lot of sense. And I've actually enjoyed listening to David Frum, who would have thought? Rick Wilson is my favorite, such a rare wit and brilliant rhetoric.
In some bizarre and sick way, Trump actually has united us.
Skittles
(153,193 posts)but that was one heck of a slam
PatSeg
(47,586 posts)King of the Zingers is Richard Painter. He looks so serious and foreboding, but he is surprisingly witty. The first time I saw him on Bill Maher's show, he cracked me up.
he has become quite entertaining
bigbrother05
(5,995 posts)His voice always cracks me up
PatSeg
(47,586 posts)It makes it that much funnier when he says something really witty. I really like the guy.
LuckyLib
(6,819 posts)brain matter and actually reads. He works in a world where you can pretty much say what you want. He seems to relish that where this idiot in the WH is concerned.
NewJeffCT
(56,829 posts)what did Kristol tweet out this time? He's been pretty anti-Trump all along
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)jgmiller
(395 posts)Bill Kristol has spent over a year multiple times a day taking shots at Trump and getting very aggressive. That works for me, Trump will never be taken down if the mainstream GOP doesn't get a backbone. Kristol has many friends there and if he can work to turn them then that's fine by me. I'd take fighting Kristol in the old days over dealing with Trump now.
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(1,148 posts)BobTheSubgenius
(11,564 posts)My experience in this area is limited, however, and I'm left wondering if one LLC is sufficient. If you see yourself in need of more porn stars, can you reuse the same one, or should you create a new LLC for each?
erronis
(15,328 posts)I'm surprised vlad didn't just pay the blackmail, or deal with the difficulty in his inimical way.....
Orsino
(37,428 posts)Maybe he just doesn't belong in long form.
underpants
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Cha
(297,655 posts)pecosbob
(7,543 posts)but they have no problem with this.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)PatrickforO
(14,587 posts)Not me.
Being unfaithful to my love is not how I roll.
orleans
(34,073 posts)Poiuyt
(18,130 posts)rpannier
(24,338 posts)Mine was in Connecticut
Bill is spot on though
xor
(1,204 posts)I understand he's always been a NeverTrumper like a lot of similar republicans. But I was reading his twitter awhile ago I noticed he really goes after Trump. I was curious to hear about his thoughts in more detail to see what exactly he took issue with. So I searched for videos of him on youtube and stumbled his channel on there. In the videos I watched, he came off as rather tame and had pretty nuanced views that almost seem to have a liberal slant to them. If it wasn't for knowing his previous support of bad aggressive foreign policy, I would say he's a fairly reasonable guy. I don't know if this is a result of him tempering his views or if the right has gone so batshit insane that anything in comparison seems reasonable enough. It's odd hearing conservatives these days talk about universal basic income without it devolving into them just shouting "COMMIE COMMIE COMMIE"
I'm curious what his thought today are with regards to the invasion and occupation of Iraq. I haven't found any recent video or audio of him discussing his thoughts now.
Orange Free State
(611 posts)to be paid more money to close her mouth than to open it.