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Bill Kristol nails it. Oh my! The world has turned upside down: (Original Post) Kingofalldems Jan 2018 OP
Quote of the day. Pity things have gotten this ridiculous. Wwcd Jan 2018 #1
Your GOP congress friends created tax payer funded slush funds to use as hush money. Irish_Dem Jan 2018 #2
Fuck Billy Krostol if that's the worst thing he can say about Trump. Nitram Jan 2018 #3
It's not the harshest against Trump he has said. Discard purism and binary thinking. . . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2018 #4
Bernardo, do you know something about Kristol that I don't? I can't find any saving grace Nitram Jan 2018 #7
Because he's a staunch CONSERVATIVE voice against Trump -- and RandomAccess Jan 2018 #34
when, exactly, has he been funny as hell? cab67 Jan 2018 #37
frequently on twitter RandomAccess Jan 2018 #38
Well, that tweet was really funny. N/T Fortinbras Armstrong Jan 2018 #47
+1000. I wonder if Kristol isn't a bellweather, suggesting traditional Hortensis Jan 2018 #46
He's just about as funny as William Buckley. Nitram Jan 2018 #49
Thank you. We can't get rid of this pestilence on our own. Hekate Jan 2018 #55
There's other reasons to say fuck Bill Kristol, but that ain't one of them Major Nikon Jan 2018 #6
Smarmy, self-satisfied asshole. Nitram Jan 2018 #23
..and then some Major Nikon Jan 2018 #27
He has said worse and been consistently anti trump JI7 Jan 2018 #21
I'm not giving any of those right wing douchebags credit for jumping a sinking ship. Nitram Jan 2018 #24
He never was on the ship Bradshaw3 Jan 2018 #29
But other lets-call-them-conservative pundits were willing to go along with the clown car erronis Jan 2018 #30
He's a hard right conservative who helped pave the way for a Trump and now he wants to disown him. Nitram Jan 2018 #48
Your position is provably false Bradshaw3 Jan 2018 #52
I'm not saying he ever supported Trump. I'm saying anyone who supported Palin, as he did, Nitram Jan 2018 #54
Oh that's not worst thing he has to say about Trump xor Jan 2018 #50
Great tweet from Bill Kristol Gothmog Jan 2018 #5
piss on bill kristol anyway #sorrynotsorry KG Jan 2018 #8
Who, Kristol?.. maybe.... you..? Is that lurking back there somewhere? pangaia Jan 2018 #9
I can't stand the man, PatSeg Jan 2018 #10
Once they leave Congress and/or the immediate DC environment NewJeffCT Jan 2018 #11
It's only the Republicans who didn't get in on the Russian gravy train FakeNoose Jan 2018 #15
That pretty much is how it appears to me PatSeg Jan 2018 #25
I call it the Norquist Effect Mopar151 Jan 2018 #17
I know PatSeg Jan 2018 #19
I am very reluctant to give him points Skittles Jan 2018 #22
The one republican who has become PatSeg Jan 2018 #26
agreed Skittles Jan 2018 #28
He sounds like Froggy from the Little Rascals bigbrother05 Jan 2018 #33
You're right, he does PatSeg Jan 2018 #40
While a Republican, he is also an academic, and therefore has LuckyLib Jan 2018 #42
For those without access to Twitter in the office NewJeffCT Jan 2018 #12
Who among us hasnt created a Delaware LLC to pay an adult film star hush money? Major Nikon Jan 2018 #13
The enemy of my enemy is my friend jgmiller Jan 2018 #14
So, you finally came around....Welcome to Liberalism!!!! W T F Jan 2018 #16
Excellent point, Bill! BobTheSubgenius Jan 2018 #18
Well, at least take them off-shore! Delaware is too easy to tap. erronis Jan 2018 #31
Huh. A Kristol piece worth the time it takes to read. Orsino Jan 2018 #20
1209 North Orange Street Wilmington DE - I'm sure underpants Jan 2018 #32
I like how he framed that. Cha Jan 2018 #35
And then today he's on TrumpVision for the abortion terrorists pecosbob Jan 2018 #36
Well, I know I have. Everyone's who's ANYONE has, dahling. Only the little people don't. Honeycombe8 Jan 2018 #39
LOL. PatrickforO Jan 2018 #41
a little cute but he's still a royal prick n/t orleans Jan 2018 #43
kicky Poiuyt Jan 2018 #44
Me rpannier Jan 2018 #45
Bill Kristol is someone who has been confusing me xor Jan 2018 #51
Probably the first porn star Orange Free State Jan 2018 #53

Irish_Dem

(47,390 posts)
2. Your GOP congress friends created tax payer funded slush funds to use as hush money.
Fri Jan 19, 2018, 10:01 AM
Jan 2018

Don't act so surprised Bill.

Nitram

(22,877 posts)
7. Bernardo, do you know something about Kristol that I don't? I can't find any saving grace
Fri Jan 19, 2018, 11:17 AM
Jan 2018

for the man who backed Sarah Palin and invading Iran. Please correct my "binary thinking" with some insight on why Kristol should not be ignored.

 

RandomAccess

(5,210 posts)
34. Because he's a staunch CONSERVATIVE voice against Trump -- and
Fri Jan 19, 2018, 05:44 PM
Jan 2018

because he's a thought leader -- and

because he's got almost 300,000 followers on Twitter -- and

because sometimes he's funny as hell -- and

because we need allies wherever we can find them in order to save our democracy.

 

RandomAccess

(5,210 posts)
38. frequently on twitter
Fri Jan 19, 2018, 07:20 PM
Jan 2018

also to some extent on MSNBC

Very intelligent, dry and witty commentary. Might not be your taste, but it's definitely mine.

When I went to Twitter a bit ago and ready through his recent tweets, several caused me to LOL.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
46. +1000. I wonder if Kristol isn't a bellweather, suggesting traditional
Sat Jan 20, 2018, 06:54 AM
Jan 2018

moderate conservatism could make a comeback. He's among those who were trying to establish an intellectual basis for those gut feelings that are conservatism when the Koch types so rudely interrupted.

Conservatism has no long-developed intellectual basis to help guide its application. Very unlike liberalism, with roots in the Enlightenment through the establishment of our nation to today.

"We believe these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal..." is liberal principle applied then as it is now.

As Americans, today's conservatives inherited that legacy also, but their gut feelings so often disagree. In some, very strongly.

Nitram

(22,877 posts)
49. He's just about as funny as William Buckley.
Sat Jan 20, 2018, 02:14 PM
Jan 2018

Buckley would have hated Trump, btw. But his support helped Regan get elected, and what's going on now is directly related to Reagan's ideology.

Nitram

(22,877 posts)
24. I'm not giving any of those right wing douchebags credit for jumping a sinking ship.
Fri Jan 19, 2018, 03:56 PM
Jan 2018

Kristol is one of the people who cleared the way for a Trump in the White House. I'm not going to let him disavow his handiwork now.

Bradshaw3

(7,529 posts)
29. He never was on the ship
Fri Jan 19, 2018, 04:07 PM
Jan 2018

He's been critical of dump all along. It's debatable that his neoliberal economics, establishment repub philosophy led to dump and his faux populism and nationalism. Kristol is certainly culpable for Iraq and a number of other odious policies but he has always been an anti-trumper and should be applauded for that.

erronis

(15,328 posts)
30. But other lets-call-them-conservative pundits were willing to go along with the clown car
Fri Jan 19, 2018, 04:14 PM
Jan 2018

They have been willing to go along with the debasement of the repuglican party and thus the multi-party democratic system - probably since the grade-B actor sweet-smiled his way into the heart of america.

I expect pundits to be critical thinkers and willing to call bs when they see it - whether on their side of an issue or the other. While it's not black and white and there are lots of shades of many colors, once a 'spert starts to spurt one one side or the other, they become supporters.

It is very difficult to be objective when there are emotional discussions. And especially when your reputation and livelihood depend on you taking a position and driving dissent and "page views".

Nitram

(22,877 posts)
48. He's a hard right conservative who helped pave the way for a Trump and now he wants to disown him.
Sat Jan 20, 2018, 02:11 PM
Jan 2018

Sarah Palin was the Gateway VP pick that has led directly to the Trump election. I don't buy his conversion. Way too little, way too late. I can't imagine how a progressive of any stripe could be an apologist for Kristol.

Bradshaw3

(7,529 posts)
52. Your position is provably false
Sat Jan 20, 2018, 03:24 PM
Jan 2018

It wasn't a "conversion". Kristol opposed dump from the very start of the primaries.

Nitram

(22,877 posts)
54. I'm not saying he ever supported Trump. I'm saying anyone who supported Palin, as he did,
Sat Jan 20, 2018, 07:04 PM
Jan 2018

must have undergone a conversation to oppose Trump. But go ahead and love you some Billy Kristol. He probably needs it.

xor

(1,204 posts)
50. Oh that's not worst thing he has to say about Trump
Sat Jan 20, 2018, 03:05 PM
Jan 2018

He's actually pretty obsessed with really hating Trump. Which is obviously not a bad thing, and I for one 100% welcome it.

PatSeg

(47,586 posts)
10. I can't stand the man,
Fri Jan 19, 2018, 11:24 AM
Jan 2018

but I'll give him credit when he is right. I can't believe how many conservatives have been making sense lately.

NewJeffCT

(56,829 posts)
11. Once they leave Congress and/or the immediate DC environment
Fri Jan 19, 2018, 11:41 AM
Jan 2018

it's funny how many Republican pundits and former Congressmen seem to grow hearts and/or brains.

Kristol, Rick Wilson, Steve Schmidt, Ana Navarro, Jennifer Rubin, etc

FakeNoose

(32,748 posts)
15. It's only the Republicans who didn't get in on the Russian gravy train
Fri Jan 19, 2018, 12:36 PM
Jan 2018

... because most of them did take the handouts. Now we're hearing from the ones who didn't.

PatSeg

(47,586 posts)
25. That pretty much is how it appears to me
Fri Jan 19, 2018, 04:02 PM
Jan 2018

Also for those who haven't been tainted by Russian money, Trump in the White House is like a Snake Pit effect I think. "Shit, even I can't go along with THAT."

Mopar151

(9,997 posts)
17. I call it the Norquist Effect
Fri Jan 19, 2018, 12:39 PM
Jan 2018

Once you remove Grover's threat of electoral ruin (being "primaried", and.or cut off from PAC money), they start to breathe oxygen again....

PatSeg

(47,586 posts)
19. I know
Fri Jan 19, 2018, 12:50 PM
Jan 2018

When a republican is running for office or in office or representing someone in office, you can't believe a word they say. I used to fast forward when some of them showed up on TV, because I didn't need to hear the same old prepackaged talking points.

Jennifer Rubin is one who really has surprised me. Before Trump, I could not stand her, but now she makes a lot of sense. And I've actually enjoyed listening to David Frum, who would have thought? Rick Wilson is my favorite, such a rare wit and brilliant rhetoric.

In some bizarre and sick way, Trump actually has united us.

PatSeg

(47,586 posts)
26. The one republican who has become
Fri Jan 19, 2018, 04:05 PM
Jan 2018

King of the Zingers is Richard Painter. He looks so serious and foreboding, but he is surprisingly witty. The first time I saw him on Bill Maher's show, he cracked me up.

PatSeg

(47,586 posts)
40. You're right, he does
Fri Jan 19, 2018, 07:31 PM
Jan 2018

It makes it that much funnier when he says something really witty. I really like the guy.

LuckyLib

(6,819 posts)
42. While a Republican, he is also an academic, and therefore has
Fri Jan 19, 2018, 08:17 PM
Jan 2018

brain matter and actually reads. He works in a world where you can pretty much say what you want. He seems to relish that where this idiot in the WH is concerned.

NewJeffCT

(56,829 posts)
12. For those without access to Twitter in the office
Fri Jan 19, 2018, 11:42 AM
Jan 2018

what did Kristol tweet out this time? He's been pretty anti-Trump all along

jgmiller

(395 posts)
14. The enemy of my enemy is my friend
Fri Jan 19, 2018, 12:27 PM
Jan 2018

Bill Kristol has spent over a year multiple times a day taking shots at Trump and getting very aggressive. That works for me, Trump will never be taken down if the mainstream GOP doesn't get a backbone. Kristol has many friends there and if he can work to turn them then that's fine by me. I'd take fighting Kristol in the old days over dealing with Trump now.

BobTheSubgenius

(11,564 posts)
18. Excellent point, Bill!
Fri Jan 19, 2018, 12:46 PM
Jan 2018

My experience in this area is limited, however, and I'm left wondering if one LLC is sufficient. If you see yourself in need of more porn stars, can you reuse the same one, or should you create a new LLC for each?

erronis

(15,328 posts)
31. Well, at least take them off-shore! Delaware is too easy to tap.
Fri Jan 19, 2018, 04:16 PM
Jan 2018

I'm surprised vlad didn't just pay the blackmail, or deal with the difficulty in his inimical way.....

underpants

(182,878 posts)
32. 1209 North Orange Street Wilmington DE - I'm sure
Fri Jan 19, 2018, 04:23 PM
Jan 2018


The Corporation Trust Center, 1209 North Orange Street, is a single-story building located in the Brandywine neighborhood of Wilmington, Delaware, USA, operated by CT Corporation. This is CT Corporation's location in the state of Delaware for providing "registered agent services."[1] In 2012 it was the registered agent address of no fewer than 285,000 separate businesses.[2]

Companies have offices in Delaware due to its desirable corporate taxes and law, and it is estimated that 9 billion dollars of potential taxes were not levied over the past decade, due to the Delaware loophole.[3] Offices are usually held in the state to avoid the high franchise fees associated with registering the company in Delaware and operating the corporation outside the state.[4] Notable companies that hold a post-office box at this location include Google, American Airlines, Apple Inc, General Motors, Coca-Cola, Kentucky Fried Chicken, Verizon Internet Services, and Deutsche Bank with about 430 of their more than 2,000 subsidiary companies and special purpose companies.[5][6] Both President Donald Trump, and his opponent in the United States presidential election 2016 Hillary Clinton, have registered companies at the center.[3]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporation_Trust_Center_(CT_Corporation)

xor

(1,204 posts)
51. Bill Kristol is someone who has been confusing me
Sat Jan 20, 2018, 03:18 PM
Jan 2018

I understand he's always been a NeverTrumper like a lot of similar republicans. But I was reading his twitter awhile ago I noticed he really goes after Trump. I was curious to hear about his thoughts in more detail to see what exactly he took issue with. So I searched for videos of him on youtube and stumbled his channel on there. In the videos I watched, he came off as rather tame and had pretty nuanced views that almost seem to have a liberal slant to them. If it wasn't for knowing his previous support of bad aggressive foreign policy, I would say he's a fairly reasonable guy. I don't know if this is a result of him tempering his views or if the right has gone so batshit insane that anything in comparison seems reasonable enough. It's odd hearing conservatives these days talk about universal basic income without it devolving into them just shouting "COMMIE COMMIE COMMIE"

I'm curious what his thought today are with regards to the invasion and occupation of Iraq. I haven't found any recent video or audio of him discussing his thoughts now.

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