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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIn the Dark Knight Rises Batman tells Catwoman: "No Guns!"
They're fighting some folks and she tries to shoot 'em and Batman says, all gravely, "No Guns!"
Sorry for the spoiler, but Batman doesn't like guns.
I believe I have satisfactorily closed the circle, so without further ado...
The Kitten and the Squirrel are Friends.
WilliamPitt
(58,179 posts)closeupready
(29,503 posts)RockaFowler
(7,429 posts)Drale
(7,932 posts)thats one of the major threads running throughout the years.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)At least until Tom Vietch and Frank Gomez decided to turn him into Charlton Heston.
I like to think this is how our gun posters imagine themselves.
Recovered Repug
(1,518 posts)Go to about 1:00.
cthulu2016
(10,960 posts)He didn't want it damaged by hitting his invulnerable body
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)jp11
(2,104 posts)http://sacomics.blogspot.com/2005/08/batman-and-guns.html
It was later decided he would not use them but that wasn't how it started out as made evident by the link above.
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(7,776 posts)Batman is a gun grabbber...
Alduin
(501 posts)I saw the movie on Sunday with my girlfriend and he said it during the roof scene where Catwoman and Batman were fighting Bane's henchmen.
BTW, GREAT MOVIE!
ChazII
(6,206 posts)and this is not a spoiler. She has a comeback a bit later but I forget exactly how she phrased her thoughts.
Odious justice
(197 posts)He's a hell of a guy.
cthulu2016
(10,960 posts)(In the movie, not in the comics)
boxman15
(1,033 posts)He leaves him hanging by his foot for the police to take him away.
cthulu2016
(10,960 posts)reflection
(6,286 posts)that some media outlets are saying was the inspiration for the theater shooting. (Oddly, it is the only comic book I own, it was a gift)
Batman is extremely anti-gun in the comic. Pleasantly, he is also anti-Reagan. (Or Frank Miller is, whichever way you want to interpret it)
Odious justice
(197 posts)Great series...I think the new batman films are predicated on Frank Miller's version more than any other.
reflection
(6,286 posts)yes, it does sound that way. I do want to see the movie, but I think I'll wait for the crowds to die down first.
Prophet 451
(9,796 posts)His follow-up, The Dark Knight Strikes Again was atrocious and ended with Superman effectively declaring himself dictator (and this was presented as a good thing) and his Holy Terror! was so racist that DC refused to let him use Batman in it.
reflection
(6,286 posts)As I said before, that is the one and only comic I own, so that is interesting to know.
Miller sounds like a piece of work. I think he also penned '300' and 'Sin City', right?
Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)Libertarian anti-Islamic we need to kill everyone to stay safe idiot.
"300" was his warning to us about the coming hordes from the East...except the Spartans were a actually bunch of jerks who willingly would change sides when deemed necessary.
Here's what he thinks of Occupy, in his own words...this from a guy that made his living in comic books, it's rather slightly ironic.
http://frankmillerink.com/2011/11/anarchy
reflection
(6,286 posts)Never would have guessed he'd morphed into something like that. What a hideous and hateful person he's become.
I was encouraged by the first comment, which took him to task. 4615 likes, 15 dislikes. Hell of a righteous rant.
Prophet 451
(9,796 posts)Miller had a real gift as a comics writer. He grasped the possibilities of the medium. The original Dark Knight Returns and Batman: Year One are both superb pieces of work, returning Batman to his pulp roots without over-simplifying the character and succeeded in penetrating the popular conception of Batman in a way that hadn't been done since the Sixties TV show. Daredevil: Born Again was excellent as well, re-interpreting the character as more down-to-earth and more human than before.
And then you read Dark Knight Strikes Again or All-Star Batman & Robin (which Miller claimed was parody after everyone panned it) and you see a gun who's so lost the character's core that his Batman wantonly kills (this is a character that, at core, is about a little boy not wanting to see anyone die), kidnaps Dick Grayson and abandons him in the cave to eat rats and turns Superman into a drooling moron (while never up to Batman levels, Supes has always been portrayed as fairly smart).
Miller has become the worst sort of comic writer, the kind who lets his own beliefs write the story. Characters commit actions not because they make sense for the character but because Miller thinks they should. For some reason, conservative writers tend to be especially prone to this, perhaps because they perceive the comics business as much more liberal than it actually is. Bill Willingham's Fables is an example that started and gradually came to incorporate more and more of the writer's conservatism to the point where it was writing the story. I can put up with a little bit of soapboxing but when two main characters in Fables halted the action for two pages to lecture one another (and thereby, the reader) about why gun control was bad, I felt well within my rights to drop the book.
Incidentally (and because I'm a complete geek), good Batman books I'd recommend include Hush and The Long Halloween.
reflection
(6,286 posts)Bookmarking for future reference.
And I agree with you, sometimes artists get in the way of their art. When a story is suspended for an inordinate amount of time so the creator can pound a point home really hard, I reflexively recoil a bit. Especially when the medium is escapist in nature, such as with comic books and action movies.
Odious justice
(197 posts)All fantastic. Sad about Miller.
reflection
(6,286 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)Kitten and squirrel
Prophet 451
(9,796 posts)He used a gun in the first few stories but it was pretty quickly decided that he wouldn't and those stories were retconned out of existence. Since then, Batman has been portrayed as very anti-gun (to the extent where it's been a plot point several times) and absolutely does not kill. He has carried and used a gun exactly once in modern continuity (against the god of evil, Darkseid in the very confusing Final Crisis event). Now, most superheroes avoid killing when they can but Bats is pathological about it. He refused to even kill the Alien-infected captives in Batman Vs. Alien. Even Superman tried to kill Doomsday but with Batman, it's never even a question.
Yes, I am a complete geek.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)in the late 1920s, iirc.
sarge43
(28,945 posts)The Bat knows all about guns.
Larkspur
(12,804 posts)Holmes was pretending to be the Joker, not Batman.