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Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
Tue Jan 30, 2018, 12:03 AM Jan 2018

NYT article explaining FISA and why The Memo is a desperate propaganda ploy:

If The Memo is released then the Information to Obtain (ITO), filed to obtain that warrant, which is no doubt very detailed and from multiple sources and very long, should be released, or a redacted version.

They will go after the Steele dossier as being "incomplete Clinton research" without the full context, or ALL the info the FISA court saw. Which is where security issues arise. How many confidential sources did the FBI use? Even disclosing Steele information was used is irresponsible...future informants might want to think twice if Congress can by pass law enforcement promises of confidentiality!

Who and what will Nunes reveal and what will he hide, under cover of "security"? The Democratic memo no doubt makes that clear, so must be released or at least mirrored in public comments...which will happen, no doubt.

So I am not that worried about all this. This hair on fire will will fizzle shortly because the ploy is so transparent and so foolish. I do not think Nunes thought this through.

As a last resort the FISA court has a Chief and itself could intervene and inform the public Nunes is lying. A Courts credibility being questioned like this is yet another unacceptable attack on the rule of law.

"Rosenstein’s signing off on applying for an extension indicates that the Trump administration’s Justice Department agreed that there was probable cause that the president’s former campaign aide was an agent for Russia. Another implication of Mr. Rosenstein’s move is that he, too, approved providing Mr. Steele’s information to the FISA court — an act many Republicans and conservative news media commentators are portraying as scandalous."

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/01/29/us/politics/fisa-surveillance-applications-how-they-work.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

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mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
1. A FUCKING COURT ... decided on the Extension. AND the warrant in the 1st place...
Tue Jan 30, 2018, 04:06 AM
Jan 2018

Rosenstein signed off on APPLYING for the extension ... meaning that he thought that the court ... probably would approve it.

But it was NOT HIS DECISION to extend the warrant, ultimately. It was a COURT.

So ... WHAT ... THE ... FUCK ... IS THIS BULLSHIT?!?

I've fucking HAD IT with this idiocy I swear to Dog.

I've not seen that HUGELY IMPORTANT POINT appear in ONE FUCKING STORY ANYWHERE, not even the NYT.

Nor have I seen any proof that the so-called 'Dossier' itself was ever USED AS EVIDENCE for the warrant, or the extension.

The GOP ACCUSES the FBI of 'using the dossier to get a FISA warrant', but WHERE IS THE PROOF?

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
5. FISA court was the most loved court by Republicans...now they attack it by doing this, that is
Tue Jan 30, 2018, 01:12 PM
Jan 2018

a point being lost we get. Fucking media. How did they get so stupid and complacent and just plain irresponsible?

Oh, and stupid.

pnwmom

(108,979 posts)
3. This article gets something important wrong. The Steele dossier was NOT involved
Tue Jan 30, 2018, 04:23 AM
Jan 2018

in the FIRST FISA warrant on Carter Page, which was in July. The FBI didn't see the Steele dossier till the fall. So Rosenstein after his appointment signed off on only a RENEWAL -- which wouldn't have been approved if the initial warrant and its subsequent renewals hadn't yielded important intelligence. The Steele dossier wasn't a NECESSARY part of the warrant's approval; it was the icing on the cake that confirmed information they had through other sources -- including their previous court-ordered surveillance.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
4. The article does make the point in a round about way. Whatever else the FBI used outside
Tue Jan 30, 2018, 01:05 PM
Jan 2018

Steele dossier info is likely not in The Memo because the purpose is propaganda. Any other intelligence and the source would be suppressed to make it appear the FBI using "only Clinton paid for research".

Huge lie...which is why The Memo is being delayed...our True Memo will point that out and expose the propaganda for what it is...a Big Lie, now under mined...huge problem for Big Lie manufacturers. Looking @u Foxxx!

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
6. My goodness! Why is the Times so mistrustful of Devin Nunes?
Tue Jan 30, 2018, 01:17 PM
Jan 2018

Has he ever lied to the public before? Okay, has he lied in the last six months? Geez, how about this morning? In the last 15 seconds? Well, then, why is the Times being so skeptical? Nunes just said what? All right! Is Nunes lying right. This. Second? Shut up Devin, I'm trying to make a point! Shut up NOW!

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