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pnwmom

(108,990 posts)
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 02:04 PM Feb 2018

New Schiff WAPost Op-Ed: Nunes, Ryan crossing a dangerous line

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/rep-nuness-memo-crosses-a-dangerous-line/2018/01/31/cbdabedc-0696-11e8-b48c-b07fea957bd5_story.html?utm_term=.4442e9475eb0

As multiple investigations work to unearth the full truth, the president has lashed out with Nixonian ferocity at the Justice Department, the FBI, congressional investigators and the media.

However, unlike President Richard Nixon, who waged his Watergate fight without the same kind of vocal allies, Trump not only has an entire media ecosystem dedicated to shielding him from accountability but also senior Republicans on the Hill who have cast aside their duty to uphold the law and perform oversight in favor of protecting the Trump presidency — no matter the cost. Nunes may have wielded the committee gavel here, but the ultimate responsibility lies with House Speaker Paul D. Ryan (R-Wis.), who lacked the courage to stop him.


Ryan, who has never served on the Intelligence Committee, seems not to understand the central bargain underpinning the creation of the intelligence committees after Watergate. In exchange for the intelligence community’s willingness to reveal closely guarded national secrets to a select group of members and staff for the purposes of oversight, the committees and the congressional leadership pledged to handle that information responsibly and without regard to politics.

That contract has now been spectacularly broken by the creation of a partisan memo that misrepresents highly classified information that will never be made public. Intelligence agencies can no longer be confident that material they provide the committee will not be repurposed and manipulated for reasons having nothing to do with national security. As a result, they will be far more reluctant to share their secrets with us in the future. Moreover, sources of information that the agencies rely upon may dry up, since they can no longer count on secrecy when the political winds are blowing. This is a grave cost for short-term political gain.

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New Schiff WAPost Op-Ed: Nunes, Ryan crossing a dangerous line (Original Post) pnwmom Feb 2018 OP
K&R for visibility. nt tblue37 Feb 2018 #1
K&R jpak Feb 2018 #2
Our system of government basically operates by "honor system" BumRushDaShow Feb 2018 #3
The people who vote for the bullies Ilsa Feb 2018 #20
!!! BumRushDaShow Feb 2018 #21
Ah! Thanks! Hadn't seen that one! nt Ilsa Feb 2018 #22
DS9 - the Niners vs the Logicians in a holosuite. BumRushDaShow Feb 2018 #23
When DS9 started, Ilsa Feb 2018 #24
Yeah the first couple season were weak BumRushDaShow Feb 2018 #30
Send them to the Romulans. House of Roberts Feb 2018 #27
Romulans have their own honor system but the Ferengi BumRushDaShow Feb 2018 #31
K&R... spanone Feb 2018 #4
K & R Iliyah Feb 2018 #5
K and R BadgerMom Feb 2018 #6
The number 3 GOP Senator True Blue American Feb 2018 #7
Repugs facing statewide elections arent as crazy YessirAtsaFact Feb 2018 #25
tell it to the people Hermit-The-Prog Feb 2018 #8
Recommended democrank Feb 2018 #9
Schiff DownriverDem Feb 2018 #11
I know Schiff speaks out all the time and I'm very grateful he does. democrank Feb 2018 #13
Until November DownriverDem Feb 2018 #10
It is a gross exaggeration to claim that "the entire media ecosystem is dedicated to shielding Nitram Feb 2018 #12
I know it's a small word, but... kag Feb 2018 #17
It's not a small word in this context, in fact it's a HUGE word ... mr_lebowski Feb 2018 #28
Oh. I see your point. I thought it referred to the entire US media system. Never mind. Nitram Feb 2018 #33
"The central bargain unpinning the creation of the intelligence committees" gratuitous Feb 2018 #14
And hell, what's even 'ironclad' anymore ... we have State Senate Majority leaders telling State ... mr_lebowski Feb 2018 #29
From the same paragraph highlighted in Bold MagickMuffin Feb 2018 #15
K&R! gademocrat7 Feb 2018 #16
K&R orangecrush Feb 2018 #18
There are some truly wicked forces taking over our country right now. Initech Feb 2018 #19
Dyslexics excell at coming up with the big picture after looking at things from different vantage applegrove Feb 2018 #26
Here's hoping that the intelligence community gives them all what they deserve. CentralMass Feb 2018 #32

Ilsa

(61,697 posts)
20. The people who vote for the bullies
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 07:15 PM
Feb 2018

are the same way: no honor amongst them.

Makes me want to dump them on the Klingon home world! (No Star Trek emojis)

BumRushDaShow

(129,400 posts)
23. DS9 - the Niners vs the Logicians in a holosuite.
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 07:45 PM
Feb 2018

Of course the Vulcans won but you wouldn't know it.

Ilsa

(61,697 posts)
24. When DS9 started,
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 09:15 PM
Feb 2018

I watched the first, maybe second season. Hubby wouldn't watch with me. I think I've seen a lot of them, but recently started watching seasons 6 and 7. I wanted to get into the thick of the Dominion plot. I didn't know all those years ago that the Founders, Dominion, Vorta, etc were the heart of the long term story arc. Looking forward to the rest, whether my spouse watches with me or not.

BumRushDaShow

(129,400 posts)
30. Yeah the first couple season were weak
Fri Feb 2, 2018, 06:34 AM
Feb 2018

but when they got into the Dominion War arcs, it got serious and is now classic - notably the episode "In the Pale Moonlight". I have been trying to find some time to go back and re-watch them -have all of TNG, DS9, VOY, & ENT on VHS recorded when they first aired and have a set of all of the TOS special edition with commentary eps that had aired on SciFi channel (now SyFy) years ago. Have not been willing to pay for the new CBS streamed Trek series though...

And that baseball episode was called "Take Me Out to the Holosuite". It was a cute but hilarious side story in the episode. You can imagine Humans, a Klingon, and Ferengis trying to play baseball against Vulcans.

House of Roberts

(5,180 posts)
27. Send them to the Romulans.
Fri Feb 2, 2018, 12:01 AM
Feb 2018

They have no honor. The Klingon Empire is founded on honor, and so will not have them here.

BumRushDaShow

(129,400 posts)
31. Romulans have their own honor system but the Ferengi
Fri Feb 2, 2018, 06:49 AM
Feb 2018

are another thing altogether. See the Rules of Acquisition. For example -

# 6 - "Never allow family to stand in the way of opportunity."
#10 "Greed is eternal."
#48 "The bigger the smile, the sharper the knife."

YessirAtsaFact

(2,064 posts)
25. Repugs facing statewide elections arent as crazy
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 11:47 PM
Feb 2018

They know if they lose 75% of the independents, they are toast even in a red state

democrank

(11,100 posts)
13. I know Schiff speaks out all the time and I'm very grateful he does.
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 03:51 PM
Feb 2018

His is a reasoned, principled voice.

DownriverDem

(6,231 posts)
10. Until November
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 03:43 PM
Feb 2018

This is how the Dems have to fight back folks. They lack power and we can help them out in November.

Nitram

(22,868 posts)
12. It is a gross exaggeration to claim that "the entire media ecosystem is dedicated to shielding
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 03:50 PM
Feb 2018

[Trump] from accountability." The right wing media is, but the mainstream media most certainly is not. The Washington Post and NPR, my two main sources of news, are both reporting on the unprecedented nature of the call to release a memo not vetted by the DOJ, and on the fact that the memo is a partisan attack on the FBI. They are also reporting on the awkward association in time between a meeting with a high-level Russian intelligence operative and Trump's refusal to impose sanctions on Russia.

kag

(4,079 posts)
17. I know it's a small word, but...
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 04:16 PM
Feb 2018

The op-ed doesn't say "the entire media ecosystem." It says "an entire media ecosystem." (emphasis mine) I think he was talking specifically about right wing media: Fox, Rush, Alex Jones, Roger Stone, etc.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
28. It's not a small word in this context, in fact it's a HUGE word ...
Fri Feb 2, 2018, 04:16 AM
Feb 2018

You are 100% right, and the person you're responding to ... got it wrong.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
14. "The central bargain unpinning the creation of the intelligence committees"
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 03:53 PM
Feb 2018

That's part of the problem, right there. Things that aren't specifically written down with enforcement provisions and ironclad penalties for violations have become optional advisories that can be safely ignored by a sufficiently reckless, lawless, or partisan person, group, or party. Whether it's emoluments, or blue slips for judicial nominees, or reports from select committees on intelligence, Republicans have demonstrated that they're not bound by anything. They're not bound by the Constitution, the integrity of the system, the credibility of their own actions, considerations of national security, or anything; if doing something appears good in their eyes, they're going to do it.

Because who is going to stop them?

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
29. And hell, what's even 'ironclad' anymore ... we have State Senate Majority leaders telling State ...
Fri Feb 2, 2018, 04:21 AM
Feb 2018

Supreme Courts to go f*** themselves cause THEY are appealing to the US Supreme Court ... over STATE F***ING LAW.

We have a POTUS telling Congress to go get stuffed over a Sanctions bill against Russia, passed 98-2 in the Senate and THAT HE F***ING SIGNED ... in the middle of being investigated over CONSPIRING WITH RUSSIA to STEAL AN ELECTION.

Seems the Rule of Law in this Nation is now dead ... if you're a powerful Republican asshole.

MagickMuffin

(15,951 posts)
15. From the same paragraph highlighted in Bold
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 03:55 PM
Feb 2018

However, unlike President Richard Nixon, who waged his Watergate fight without the same kind of vocal allies, Trump not only has an entire media ecosystem dedicated to shielding him from accountability but also senior Republicans on the Hill who have cast aside their duty to uphold the law and perform oversight in favor of protecting the Trump presidency — no matter the cost. Nunes may have wielded the committee gavel here, but the ultimate responsibility lies with House Speaker Paul D. Ryan (R-Wis.), who lacked the courage to stop him.


Calling out the Media for being mealy mouthed and dancing around the real truth.

Why isn't the Media screaming about national security being exposed for partisan reasons?

Why isn't the Media sounding the alarm bells?

Why is the Media so damn silent about what is happening to our Country?

They certainly didn't have an issue hammering Hillary about the emails and "National Security" but now when the country needs them where are their voices???

gademocrat7

(10,667 posts)
16. K&R!
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 03:59 PM
Feb 2018

Adam Schiff an attorney knows more about the law than dairy farmer Nunes and pretend policy wonk Ryan.

Initech

(100,100 posts)
19. There are some truly wicked forces taking over our country right now.
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 04:21 PM
Feb 2018

But they will tell you they're Christian. Classic bait and switch.

applegrove

(118,767 posts)
26. Dyslexics excell at coming up with the big picture after looking at things from different vantage
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 11:51 PM
Feb 2018

points and with different assumptions. A very wide scope. That is what we are good at. Seeing the forest for the trees. Trump is a failed dyslexic.

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