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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsNew Schiff WAPost Op-Ed: Nunes, Ryan crossing a dangerous line
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/rep-nuness-memo-crosses-a-dangerous-line/2018/01/31/cbdabedc-0696-11e8-b48c-b07fea957bd5_story.html?utm_term=.4442e9475eb0As multiple investigations work to unearth the full truth, the president has lashed out with Nixonian ferocity at the Justice Department, the FBI, congressional investigators and the media.
However, unlike President Richard Nixon, who waged his Watergate fight without the same kind of vocal allies, Trump not only has an entire media ecosystem dedicated to shielding him from accountability but also senior Republicans on the Hill who have cast aside their duty to uphold the law and perform oversight in favor of protecting the Trump presidency no matter the cost. Nunes may have wielded the committee gavel here, but the ultimate responsibility lies with House Speaker Paul D. Ryan (R-Wis.), who lacked the courage to stop him.
Ryan, who has never served on the Intelligence Committee, seems not to understand the central bargain underpinning the creation of the intelligence committees after Watergate. In exchange for the intelligence communitys willingness to reveal closely guarded national secrets to a select group of members and staff for the purposes of oversight, the committees and the congressional leadership pledged to handle that information responsibly and without regard to politics.
That contract has now been spectacularly broken by the creation of a partisan memo that misrepresents highly classified information that will never be made public. Intelligence agencies can no longer be confident that material they provide the committee will not be repurposed and manipulated for reasons having nothing to do with national security. As a result, they will be far more reluctant to share their secrets with us in the future. Moreover, sources of information that the agencies rely upon may dry up, since they can no longer count on secrecy when the political winds are blowing. This is a grave cost for short-term political gain.
tblue37
(65,483 posts)yup
BumRushDaShow
(129,400 posts)and that has now been broken.
Ilsa
(61,697 posts)are the same way: no honor amongst them.
Makes me want to dump them on the Klingon home world! (No Star Trek emojis)
Ilsa
(61,697 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,400 posts)Of course the Vulcans won but you wouldn't know it.
Ilsa
(61,697 posts)I watched the first, maybe second season. Hubby wouldn't watch with me. I think I've seen a lot of them, but recently started watching seasons 6 and 7. I wanted to get into the thick of the Dominion plot. I didn't know all those years ago that the Founders, Dominion, Vorta, etc were the heart of the long term story arc. Looking forward to the rest, whether my spouse watches with me or not.
BumRushDaShow
(129,400 posts)but when they got into the Dominion War arcs, it got serious and is now classic - notably the episode "In the Pale Moonlight". I have been trying to find some time to go back and re-watch them -have all of TNG, DS9, VOY, & ENT on VHS recorded when they first aired and have a set of all of the TOS special edition with commentary eps that had aired on SciFi channel (now SyFy) years ago. Have not been willing to pay for the new CBS streamed Trek series though...
And that baseball episode was called "Take Me Out to the Holosuite". It was a cute but hilarious side story in the episode. You can imagine Humans, a Klingon, and Ferengis trying to play baseball against Vulcans.
House of Roberts
(5,180 posts)They have no honor. The Klingon Empire is founded on honor, and so will not have them here.
BumRushDaShow
(129,400 posts)are another thing altogether. See the Rules of Acquisition. For example -
# 6 - "Never allow family to stand in the way of opportunity."
#10 "Greed is eternal."
#48 "The bigger the smile, the sharper the knife."
spanone
(135,866 posts)BadgerMom
(2,771 posts)True Blue American
(17,988 posts)Just warned them to listen to the warnings of those objecting.
Just found,John Thune.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/01/us/politics/republicans-secret-memo-nunes.html
YessirAtsaFact
(2,064 posts)They know if they lose 75% of the independents, they are toast even in a red state
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,409 posts)Good on Schiff for taking this to the people, who are supposed to be the boss.
democrank
(11,100 posts)Glad Schiff is speaking out.
DownriverDem
(6,231 posts)Schiff speaks out all the time. I see him in CNN and MSNBC.
democrank
(11,100 posts)His is a reasoned, principled voice.
DownriverDem
(6,231 posts)This is how the Dems have to fight back folks. They lack power and we can help them out in November.
Nitram
(22,868 posts)[Trump] from accountability." The right wing media is, but the mainstream media most certainly is not. The Washington Post and NPR, my two main sources of news, are both reporting on the unprecedented nature of the call to release a memo not vetted by the DOJ, and on the fact that the memo is a partisan attack on the FBI. They are also reporting on the awkward association in time between a meeting with a high-level Russian intelligence operative and Trump's refusal to impose sanctions on Russia.
kag
(4,079 posts)The op-ed doesn't say "the entire media ecosystem." It says "an entire media ecosystem." (emphasis mine) I think he was talking specifically about right wing media: Fox, Rush, Alex Jones, Roger Stone, etc.
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)You are 100% right, and the person you're responding to ... got it wrong.
Nitram
(22,868 posts)gratuitous
(82,849 posts)That's part of the problem, right there. Things that aren't specifically written down with enforcement provisions and ironclad penalties for violations have become optional advisories that can be safely ignored by a sufficiently reckless, lawless, or partisan person, group, or party. Whether it's emoluments, or blue slips for judicial nominees, or reports from select committees on intelligence, Republicans have demonstrated that they're not bound by anything. They're not bound by the Constitution, the integrity of the system, the credibility of their own actions, considerations of national security, or anything; if doing something appears good in their eyes, they're going to do it.
Because who is going to stop them?
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)Supreme Courts to go f*** themselves cause THEY are appealing to the US Supreme Court ... over STATE F***ING LAW.
We have a POTUS telling Congress to go get stuffed over a Sanctions bill against Russia, passed 98-2 in the Senate and THAT HE F***ING SIGNED ... in the middle of being investigated over CONSPIRING WITH RUSSIA to STEAL AN ELECTION.
Seems the Rule of Law in this Nation is now dead ... if you're a powerful Republican asshole.
MagickMuffin
(15,951 posts)However, unlike President Richard Nixon, who waged his Watergate fight without the same kind of vocal allies, Trump not only has an entire media ecosystem dedicated to shielding him from accountability but also senior Republicans on the Hill who have cast aside their duty to uphold the law and perform oversight in favor of protecting the Trump presidency no matter the cost. Nunes may have wielded the committee gavel here, but the ultimate responsibility lies with House Speaker Paul D. Ryan (R-Wis.), who lacked the courage to stop him.
Calling out the Media for being mealy mouthed and dancing around the real truth.
Why isn't the Media screaming about national security being exposed for partisan reasons?
Why isn't the Media sounding the alarm bells?
Why is the Media so damn silent about what is happening to our Country?
They certainly didn't have an issue hammering Hillary about the emails and "National Security" but now when the country needs them where are their voices???
gademocrat7
(10,667 posts)Adam Schiff an attorney knows more about the law than dairy farmer Nunes and pretend policy wonk Ryan.
orangecrush
(19,616 posts)Initech
(100,100 posts)But they will tell you they're Christian. Classic bait and switch.
applegrove
(118,767 posts)points and with different assumptions. A very wide scope. That is what we are good at. Seeing the forest for the trees. Trump is a failed dyslexic.