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There is a car in outer space, and you can watch it live. (Original Post) MGKrebs Feb 2018 OP
Dumb question, but what happens to tires in a vaccuum? n/t rzemanfl Feb 2018 #1
Just a guess. They have no air but instead are filled with something solid Stinky The Clown Feb 2018 #3
Good guess. It isn't like it would ride rough. n/t rzemanfl Feb 2018 #4
They must have put tension on the springs (if it has springs) too. n/t rzemanfl Feb 2018 #9
That would not be necessary. Yonnie3 Feb 2018 #14
The pressure inside increases 14.7 PSI relative to the outside. Yonnie3 Feb 2018 #12
Thanks! n/t rzemanfl Feb 2018 #13
I grew up watching Outer Limits and reading Sci-Fi. Yonnie3 Feb 2018 #19
I also didn't think the springs thing through. No earth gravity. n/t rzemanfl Feb 2018 #25
Well, technically, lots of Earth gravity. sl8 Feb 2018 #38
The car is not staying in LEO: It's headed to the Asteroid Belt. lagomorph777 Feb 2018 #40
Of course. sl8 Feb 2018 #44
nasa men on moon and back, spacex advertisement for tesla cars nt msongs Feb 2018 #2
What do you expect from a commercial Enterprise? EX500rider Feb 2018 #33
Too bad we couldn't have put orange man in the trunk of that car. n/t kydo Feb 2018 #5
+1000000! SammyWinstonJack Feb 2018 #6
And then, once in outer space... PJMcK Feb 2018 #26
If Musk has any soul at all nolabear Feb 2018 #7
LOL Lucinda Feb 2018 #15
Best car commercial ever! Merlot Feb 2018 #8
poor Stig! Demonaut Feb 2018 #10
LOL. Historic NY Feb 2018 #22
One Stig dies, another takes his place. JustABozoOnThisBus Feb 2018 #28
Some say Glassunion Feb 2018 #42
DON'T PANIC blogslut Feb 2018 #11
what did I just see about an hour ago in the SW sky? Kali Feb 2018 #16
I wonder if it was the "Disco Ball" hunter Feb 2018 #35
that is kind of cool, I guess Kali Feb 2018 #39
This is the track for Humanity Star ornotna Feb 2018 #47
You're in SE Arizona? padfun Feb 2018 #52
Texas Canyon Kali Feb 2018 #53
Ahh, Been a while padfun Feb 2018 #54
You may be thinking of a different Texas Canyon Kali Feb 2018 #56
Soft Landing - Heavy Metal Dave Starsky Feb 2018 #17
Cool! Thanks! MGKrebs Feb 2018 #29
It also has an inscription on the circuit board that says made by humans Lucinda Feb 2018 #18
Totally Faked, Staged, Hoax, etc. Where are all the stars? Xolodno Feb 2018 #20
Musk forgot the fuzzy dice! edbermac Feb 2018 #21
That wouldve been fantastic lol! cwydro Feb 2018 #24
Its going to need a wash and wax. Historic NY Feb 2018 #23
There's a couple of cars on the Moon SonofDonald Feb 2018 #27
Not the same as sailing through space at 18,000 mph! MGKrebs Feb 2018 #30
18,000 mph for a deep space vehicle is really pedestrian. Blue_true Feb 2018 #32
But they did go pretty fast on the way up there SonofDonald Feb 2018 #34
After the final burn, it's going about 74,937mph Glassunion Feb 2018 #64
I won't watch it. Too over the top. Blue_true Feb 2018 #31
Landing the boosters was something new. hunter Feb 2018 #36
I accept your last point mostly. Blue_true Feb 2018 #41
There are no planets with retrograde orbits. MGKrebs Feb 2018 #48
Venus and Uranus orbit the Sun clockwise. Blue_true Feb 2018 #50
Where do you get your information? MGKrebs Feb 2018 #55
Yes. You are right. 8 planets orbit in the same direction. Blue_true Feb 2018 #65
Even the ability for us to watch it so clearly and beautifully is new. nolabear Feb 2018 #46
Just like in the movies Baclava Feb 2018 #49
Now it is heading to the Asteroid Belt suffragette Feb 2018 #37
It won't make it that far misanthrope Feb 2018 #57
"I...can't...drive.......55!!" edbermac Feb 2018 #43
So was the car ejected from Falcon Heavy? Bleacher Creature Feb 2018 #45
The main core apparently ran out of propellant shortly before MGKrebs Feb 2018 #60
whats the speedometer read? samnsara Feb 2018 #51
Around 74,937mph Glassunion Feb 2018 #61
This is a stupid pointless stunt and dangerous as well. alarimer Feb 2018 #58
Idiot. pyro_archvile Feb 2018 #59
It's in a heliocentric orbit that extends past Mars. cemaphonic Feb 2018 #62
No it is not. Glassunion Feb 2018 #63

Yonnie3

(17,476 posts)
14. That would not be necessary.
Tue Feb 6, 2018, 11:01 PM
Feb 2018

The tires would increase their pressure by 14.7 PSI. They could have under-inflated them a bit before takeoff if that would be a problem.

Yonnie3

(17,476 posts)
19. I grew up watching Outer Limits and reading Sci-Fi.
Tue Feb 6, 2018, 11:06 PM
Feb 2018

There were always scenes where the "hard vacuum" of space would suck someone through a small hole or similar. It took me a long time to lose that way of thinking.

sl8

(13,866 posts)
38. Well, technically, lots of Earth gravity.
Wed Feb 7, 2018, 04:41 PM
Feb 2018

Gravitational force at Low Earth Obit altitudes is not very much less than it is on surface of the Earth.

A noticeable difference is that objects in orbit are in freefall. Think of jumping off a very tall cliff, with (nearly) no air resistance.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
40. The car is not staying in LEO: It's headed to the Asteroid Belt.
Wed Feb 7, 2018, 05:09 PM
Feb 2018

It'd be a pity to see it get dented up out there.

sl8

(13,866 posts)
44. Of course.
Wed Feb 7, 2018, 05:44 PM
Feb 2018

I was only addressing the common (?) misperception that objects in orbit are "beyond the reach of gravity".

EX500rider

(10,849 posts)
33. What do you expect from a commercial Enterprise?
Wed Feb 7, 2018, 02:06 PM
Feb 2018

Those rockets don't build themselves. Cost lots of money.

PJMcK

(22,047 posts)
26. And then, once in outer space...
Wed Feb 7, 2018, 10:25 AM
Feb 2018

...load him into a canon and blast him very fast into the Sun.

Where did I hear that idea? Hmmm.

Glassunion

(10,201 posts)
42. Some say
Wed Feb 7, 2018, 05:32 PM
Feb 2018

his tears taste like blueberries, and that his apartment is carpeted with Russell Brand's beard... All we know is he's the Stig's American cousin - Starman!

hunter

(38,325 posts)
35. I wonder if it was the "Disco Ball"
Wed Feb 7, 2018, 03:05 PM
Feb 2018
A disco ball-like satellite is orbiting Earth. Here's why.

(CNN)The universe has some added sparkle -- now that a shiny, spherical satellite is traveling around our planet.

The newly launched satellite, dubbed the Humanity Star, resembles a disco ball. Its mission: to serve as a focal point for humanity and reminder about our fragile place in the universe.

"No matter where you are in the world, or what is happening in your life, everyone will be able to see the Humanity Star in the night sky," said Peter Beck, founder of the private company Rocket Lab, in a statement.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/25/world/humanity-star-launch-trnd/index.html


There's satellite tracking here:

http://www.n2yo.com


Kali

(55,019 posts)
39. that is kind of cool, I guess
Wed Feb 7, 2018, 04:58 PM
Feb 2018

but it wasn't what I saw, this seemed to still be in the atmosphere and it was not blinking

padfun

(1,787 posts)
54. Ahh, Been a while
Wed Feb 7, 2018, 11:01 PM
Feb 2018

since I've been back there but I am going this May for a reunion. Two days in Tucson and then one day in Sierra Vista.
When I leave, I might go to Albuquerque so will go by the Chiricahua Mountains for recalling memories if I do.

Nice area if you like hiking and camping. Still a lot of wilderness out there.

Kali

(55,019 posts)
56. You may be thinking of a different Texas Canyon
Thu Feb 8, 2018, 01:16 PM
Feb 2018

We are in the Little Dragoons. Old family ranch, I-10 runs right through us, along with a bunch of other infrastructure, right-of-ways, county roads, the railroad etc. I could only wish it more wild here, but the cities need their food, fuel, and energy. Sigh.

I have seen a Texas Canyon in the Chiricahuas on a map, but never actually been there.

Xolodno

(6,398 posts)
20. Totally Faked, Staged, Hoax, etc. Where are all the stars?
Tue Feb 6, 2018, 11:08 PM
Feb 2018

I'm kidding and offering a bit of sarcasm. Plus, moon landing deniers can suck my balls...and deny they every did.

SonofDonald

(2,050 posts)
27. There's a couple of cars on the Moon
Wed Feb 7, 2018, 10:38 AM
Feb 2018

From what I remember, probably charge the batteries or replace them and go for a drive.

Except for of course any lubricants are now probably dessicated, lubricants in outer space have to be very special due to the temps and radiation among other issues.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
32. 18,000 mph for a deep space vehicle is really pedestrian.
Wed Feb 7, 2018, 02:00 PM
Feb 2018

In order to make deep space practical, propulsion will need to be close to the solar system escape velocity, beyond that number would be even better.

SonofDonald

(2,050 posts)
34. But they did go pretty fast on the way up there
Wed Feb 7, 2018, 02:50 PM
Feb 2018

And they got one up to 17 kph on the moon, but yeah horse n buggy compared to a tesla roadster.

Glassunion

(10,201 posts)
64. After the final burn, it's going about 74,937mph
Thu Feb 8, 2018, 05:27 PM
Feb 2018

The speedometer is pegged and the odometer has fried...

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
31. I won't watch it. Too over the top.
Wed Feb 7, 2018, 01:55 PM
Feb 2018

Plus, we are celebrating an effort where a group took a 50 year old technology, latched several pieces of that technology together then interfaced those pieces with modern communication technology. Not much to celebrate, that technology MAY get to Mars, but not anything beyond that.

I will be impressed when someone come up with a vastly innovative propulsion system that can go past Mars to other star systems near us.

hunter

(38,325 posts)
36. Landing the boosters was something new.
Wed Feb 7, 2018, 03:28 PM
Feb 2018

50 years ago, maybe even 20 years ago, there was no technology that could do that.

It required some very clever science and engineering.

Having a heavy lift capacity again allows us to consider things like nuclear powered electric propulsion systems for deep space exploration.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
41. I accept your last point mostly.
Wed Feb 7, 2018, 05:16 PM
Feb 2018

Lift off from earth and then use nuclear power for the long haul space travel. The synchronous landing of two side boosters did not impress me too much, that was just a case of modern communication technology, if that was available 50 years ago, it would have been done then.


Call me a nut that has gone off the deep end if you want to (been called things before), but I believe that there is a fundamental force of the Universe that has not been scientifically identified yet. It should have an origin from the same source as magnetism, but is radial in nature instead of polar. The reason that I believe this is that two planets and a number of Jovian moons have retrograde orbits, if one accepts wholly formation of those bodies from a primordial disk of mass pushed out from the Sun, then retrograde orbits would not have been possible. In addition, the orbital speed of Venus is higher than that of earth, Venus is a planet that has a retrograde orbit - most science that I have read say that Venus has the retrograde orbit because collision billions of years ago reversed the orbit of that planet - the issue that I have with that is that in order for the orbit to be reversed, inertia would have to be altered and then restored. If you look at the planets in order starting with Mercury thru to Neptune, the orbit speed progressively get lower, the only thing that makes sense when one considers that along with planet spacing from each other and their satellites is that a force which opposes Gravity is active between planets, the Sun and satellites of those bodies, with planets being satellites of the Sun.

Why am I interested in that unknown force? First, it answers all the attributes that scientists have attributed to Dark Matter. Second, it can be used to build spacecrafts that travel at or above planetary speed, up to around one ten thousandth the speed of light. Such speed would make interstellar travel, at least by robotic craft, possible.

MGKrebs

(8,138 posts)
48. There are no planets with retrograde orbits.
Wed Feb 7, 2018, 09:30 PM
Feb 2018

Venus and Uranus have retrograde rotations. A much different phenomena.

In any case, the real exciting aspect of all this is the whole phalanx of young people involved in developing space travel to the next level.
To infinity, and beyond!

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
50. Venus and Uranus orbit the Sun clockwise.
Wed Feb 7, 2018, 09:50 PM
Feb 2018

All other known planets orbit counterclockwise. Clockwise or counter clockwise depends upon the observation point one takes, but even considering that Venus and Uranus orbit differently from the other known planets. Venus is also slowing down, which brings the concept of planets maintaining primordial inertia into question, but makes sense if an unknown force is interacting with gravity to establish orbit speed.

One last thing. The highest speed that humans can theoretically make a spaceship go if an unknown force is harnessed is the speed of the fastest moving Galaxy, around one seven hundredth the speed of light.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
65. Yes. You are right. 8 planets orbit in the same direction.
Fri Feb 9, 2018, 09:13 PM
Feb 2018

Pluto was downgraded from a planet to a minor planet, reducing the number to 8.

nolabear

(41,991 posts)
46. Even the ability for us to watch it so clearly and beautifully is new.
Wed Feb 7, 2018, 06:58 PM
Feb 2018

You're a tough case. I think it's magnificent.

suffragette

(12,232 posts)
37. Now it is heading to the Asteroid Belt
Wed Feb 7, 2018, 04:16 PM
Feb 2018
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/feb/07/elon-musk-space-car-overshoot-mars-asteroid-belt

“Third burn successful. Exceeded Mars orbit and kept going to the Asteroid Belt,” Musk said in a tweet that seemed to confirm the final destination of the mission had changed.

Originally, the $100,000 electric Tesla Roadster, chosen by Musk as a whimsical experimental payload for the Falcon Heavy’s maiden flight, had been intended to reach a heliocentric orbit roughly the same distance from the sun as Mars, and orbit for a billion years.

On its new trajectory, the world’s first car-turned-spacecraft will take a months-long cruise through deep space before taking its chances in the circumstellar asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter, where the risk of a catastrophic collision is greater.

misanthrope

(7,422 posts)
57. It won't make it that far
Thu Feb 8, 2018, 01:55 PM
Feb 2018

The solar winds in combination with abundant cosmic rays will destroy the bonds on all the vehicle's organic material which includes the rubber and plastics. In a year's time, it will be a frazzled husk.

Bleacher Creature

(11,257 posts)
45. So was the car ejected from Falcon Heavy?
Wed Feb 7, 2018, 06:52 PM
Feb 2018

And what happened to the rocket itself? I know that two of the three boosters came back, but what about the ship?

MGKrebs

(8,138 posts)
60. The main core apparently ran out of propellant shortly before
Thu Feb 8, 2018, 04:14 PM
Feb 2018

it was supposed to land on the barge, so it crashed near the barge, in the water. I haven't seen any updates to that yet.

Glassunion

(10,201 posts)
61. Around 74,937mph
Thu Feb 8, 2018, 04:38 PM
Feb 2018

According to The Atlantic - "The new numbers suggest the payload reached a speed of 33.5 kilometers per second after the last push"

Now, of course it's actual speed will vary as it settles into its orbit... But that's a good ballpark figure.

alarimer

(16,245 posts)
58. This is a stupid pointless stunt and dangerous as well.
Thu Feb 8, 2018, 02:36 PM
Feb 2018

It is a giant piece of debris, dangerous to satellites and any other spacecraft. Fuck Elon Musk. He could have put something useful on that rocket, but instead he launched a car.

cemaphonic

(4,138 posts)
62. It's in a heliocentric orbit that extends past Mars.
Thu Feb 8, 2018, 04:41 PM
Feb 2018

It's not going to be hanging around in LEO where it could actually hit anything.

Glassunion

(10,201 posts)
63. No it is not.
Thu Feb 8, 2018, 05:05 PM
Feb 2018

#1. It is not in earth's orbit at all, so there is near zero probability of it hitting an existing satellite or any spacecraft whatsoever.
#2. A car was simply a fun choice for a test flight.

This was the very first flight of an experimental spacecraft, using refurbished rockets. You need to test things before you start putting billions of dollars worth of equipment on top if it. Now under normal circumstances, to test a rocket, with a good and proper payload, most space agencies (like NASA) use metal, and concrete to match payload weights. So if you're testing a rocket, why not just strap something fun to the top of the rocket, instead of boring dead weight?

This particular rocket is being tested for future Mars supply and exploration missions, as well as extremely heavy payloads into low earth orbit. Up until yesterday the retired Space Shuttle was the most economical method of getting heavy payloads into low earth orbit (about 1,200 miles altitude). However, the Shuttle's max payload was only 37.6% of what the Falcon Heavy is capable of. This is huge. A single FH launch will be capable of getting 140,600 lbs of payload into low earth orbit. Or 58,800 lbs of payload into a geostationary orbit.

Both the Falcon 9 and Heavy are able to take rather large payloads into space for a relatively low price. The Falcon 9 runs about $62 million to send a payload up, and the Heavy is estimated at about $90 million. Towards the end of its service the Space Shuttle was running about $450 million per launch.

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