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womanofthehills

(8,781 posts)
Thu Feb 8, 2018, 01:59 AM Feb 2018

Rob Porter also kicked & choked his wife - "he would throw me down on the bed and ......"

In a lengthy interview, Holdnerness, who married Porter in 2003, told CNN on Wednesday that the physical abuse began almost immediately after their wedding. The couple went to the Canary Islands for their honeymoon in the summer of 2003, when Holderness said Porter kicked her thigh during a fight.

"I didn't quite know how to take it," Holderness said. "I had just tied the knot with him."
She said that Porter's repeated physically abusive behavior also included throwing her on the bed and forcefully pushing one of his limbs into her body in anger and choking her.

"The thing he would do most frequently is he would throw me down on a bed and he would just put his body weight on me and he'd be yelling at me but as he was yelling he'd me grinding an elbow or knee into my body to emphasize his anger," she said. The choking, she said, "was just very scary and dehumanizing," and she said she didn't realize the severity of the situation until she spoke with a counselor.

In the summer of 2005, the couple was in Florence, Italy, when Holderness said he punched her in the face -- the only time, Holdnerness says, when she remembers her ex-husband leaving a physical mark on her body.


https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/07/politics/rob-porter-ex-wives-white-house/index.html
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Rob Porter also kicked & choked his wife - "he would throw me down on the bed and ......" (Original Post) womanofthehills Feb 2018 OP
God these people are so fucking horrible! On every level! Initech Feb 2018 #1
The choking, she said, "was just very scary and dehumanizing," and she said she didn't realize the politicaljunkie41910 Feb 2018 #21
Choking is a known precursor to homicide. yardwork Feb 2018 #22
I was trying to emphasize the point that she actually said she didn't realize this wasn't normal. politicaljunkie41910 Feb 2018 #24
Their churches cover up for these men malaise Feb 2018 #27
I agree. It is appalling. yardwork Feb 2018 #29
Yes it is Phoenix61 Feb 2018 #26
Geezus Egnever Feb 2018 #2
Lawrence O'Donnell is also discussing this in detail. Rhiannon12866 Feb 2018 #3
Randi Rhodes also covered this story today womanofthehills Feb 2018 #5
There always are more - this is never an isolated incident, but part of a pattern. Rhiannon12866 Feb 2018 #7
How scary! I wouldn't have made it Cha Feb 2018 #4
Making it even scarier is that he knew DeminPennswoods Feb 2018 #6
No wonder Hicks drafted a glowing resignation statement for Kelly. Marcuse Feb 2018 #8
Porter is an evil, cowardly monster. nt SunSeeker Feb 2018 #9
Does he get a parade too? world wide wally Feb 2018 #10
Choking behavior is a strong indicator that an abuser will escalate to killing his victim. Squinch Feb 2018 #11
I've heard that's the #1 sign. Dave Starsky Feb 2018 #12
So now it's also a strong indicator that the republican president will think you're a great guy. Squinch Feb 2018 #13
Just saw this after I posted the same. yardwork Feb 2018 #23
50 shades of thug dembotoz Feb 2018 #14
thug is right. bdamomma Feb 2018 #18
Rachel Maddow reported that Steve Bannon also grabbed his now ex-wife by neck, she filed complaint wishstar Feb 2018 #15
I remember hearing that. And he did something about the money Maraya1969 Feb 2018 #17
Disgusting excuse for a human being mcar Feb 2018 #16
What was it Kelly said? He's an honorable man? Stinky The Clown Feb 2018 #19
Abusers go to great lengths (after the fact) to get the spouse to Grammy23 Feb 2018 #20
wtf???!!!??? How is he not in prison? FactyDude Feb 2018 #25
Why is Hope Hicks so attracted to these abusers? mchill Feb 2018 #28
Not her fault. n/t LuckyCharms Feb 2018 #30
I'm to the point where I almost dread the TV news every day because of what CTyankee Feb 2018 #31

politicaljunkie41910

(3,335 posts)
21. The choking, she said, "was just very scary and dehumanizing," and she said she didn't realize the
Thu Feb 8, 2018, 01:23 PM
Feb 2018
The choking, she said, "was just very scary and dehumanizing," and she said she didn't realize the severity of the situation until she spoke with a counselor, she stated in an interview yesterday. "That is until she spoke with a counselor who wasn't a member of her church," the Mormon Church. Up until that time, all the counselors she had spoken to were from the Mormon Church, and she said she didn't realize that this type of behavior wasn't normal. Jeeeeeeezzzzzz.

yardwork

(61,712 posts)
22. Choking is a known precursor to homicide.
Thu Feb 8, 2018, 01:48 PM
Feb 2018

Grabbing somebody around the throat to choke them is considered an indicator of lethality. People who do that are more likely to escalate their violence to the point of homicide.

politicaljunkie41910

(3,335 posts)
24. I was trying to emphasize the point that she actually said she didn't realize this wasn't normal.
Thu Feb 8, 2018, 02:46 PM
Feb 2018

Last night on either Rachal Maddow's show or on Lawrence O'Donnell, they had an interview with each of the wives, and the first wife said that he had done this many times and she had discussed it with her church counselors many times and she didn't realize this type of behavior was not normal until she talked with a counselor who was not a member of her church. That was absolutely, jaw dropping.

Phoenix61

(17,019 posts)
26. Yes it is
Thu Feb 8, 2018, 03:29 PM
Feb 2018

It's the ultimate power play. When you have your hands around someone's throat you literally have their life in your hands. It isn't about someone not knowing how to manage their anger. It's about a batterer intimidating their victim.

womanofthehills

(8,781 posts)
5. Randi Rhodes also covered this story today
Thu Feb 8, 2018, 02:14 AM
Feb 2018

the CNN article says there was a third women he abused. Probably more will come out too.

Rhiannon12866

(206,166 posts)
7. There always are more - this is never an isolated incident, but part of a pattern.
Thu Feb 8, 2018, 02:18 AM
Feb 2018

Lawrence O'Donnell is discussing this right now, I've been watching the repeat. He led with this story and he's not done yet.

yardwork

(61,712 posts)
23. Just saw this after I posted the same.
Thu Feb 8, 2018, 01:50 PM
Feb 2018

It's very concerning that her counselors didn't recognize this sign. Nobody told her that it wasn't normal?!

wishstar

(5,272 posts)
15. Rachel Maddow reported that Steve Bannon also grabbed his now ex-wife by neck, she filed complaint
Thu Feb 8, 2018, 09:28 AM
Feb 2018

Maddow also reported how Bannon's ex-wife was threatened to drop charges. Also during Trump divorce from Ivana, Michael Cohen, Trump's attorney sent disgusting threats to Ivana to shut her up and force her compliance.

Maraya1969

(22,506 posts)
17. I remember hearing that. And he did something about the money
Thu Feb 8, 2018, 12:47 PM
Feb 2018

and took it all away from her, (I think that was it.....not completely sure

mcar

(42,388 posts)
16. Disgusting excuse for a human being
Thu Feb 8, 2018, 09:41 AM
Feb 2018

Kelly should be fired for this but given the entire Administration's lack of morals I won't hold my breath.

Grammy23

(5,815 posts)
20. Abusers go to great lengths (after the fact) to get the spouse to
Thu Feb 8, 2018, 01:09 PM
Feb 2018

stay silent about what they are going through. They employ a variety of tactics including apologies and promises to never do it again. Much remorse....until it happens again.

Then there is the Blame the Victim strategy. They tell the victim that they (the victim) made them do it. You goaded me. You tempted me. You are the reason I hit you, drink, etc.

Some will shower the victim (briefly) with gifts and treatment fit for a queen. Then, out of nowhere, they rip the rug out from under the victim and commit an abusive act.

I personally know of one situation where the abuser physically abused his spouse by hitting, slapping and pulling her hair. He even did these things when she was pregnant. Finally, after years of this, the local sheriff was involved where the abuser was informed he would be arrested if it happened again. So what did he do? He switched his tactics by psychologically abusing his victim by constant criticism, belittling her and telling her over and over how stupid she was and how she could never make it on her own if she left. Eventually, they did divorce but it took tremendous courage AND the abuser had found another ‘victim” and wanted out, too.

Abuse comes in many forms and often involves physical as well as mental abuse. It is complicated and sometimes a victim repeats their pattern of being involved with abusive partners. In that case, victim and abuser need help to try to stop the cycle of abuse.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
31. I'm to the point where I almost dread the TV news every day because of what
Thu Feb 8, 2018, 06:48 PM
Feb 2018

disgusting thing has been revealed about Trump and his cohorts. I used to delight in Obama's latest speech or Michelle's speech or a pic of those wonderful daughters. Now I want to vomit...

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