Is this typical professional 'office' wear?

[HipChick]

Short skirt? Over the knee boots? Blouse open to expose most cleavage?...


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[Blue_Adept]

1. Depends on the office, but yes.

[onecent]

2. Hicks could come in a 2 piece bathing suit.......

None of these men are BLIND.

[janterry]

3. It's what she is hired for

Sorry, feminist here, but it's the truth.

[HipChick]

15. Sadly...have to agree with you...

[dalton99a]

16. It really is.

[Voltaire2]

5. I really dont care how people dress.

It seems to me to be an entirely irrelevant and perhaps dubious criticism.

I care what they do.

[Demit]

11. Is there a limit, in your mind? Like, would see-through blouses be okay?

How about short shorts? Tube tops? Skirts with thigh-high slits?

[writerJT]

12. Depends on the individual.

[Voltaire2]

18. I really dont care how people dress.

It seems to me to be an entirely irrelevant and perhaps dubious criticism that is almost invariably targeted at women.

[Demit]

24. So you said. But can you answer my question? Is there a limit?

Of course the criticism is aimed at women. Men aren't dressing to reveal more and more skin in the office. That's not a trend.

[gvstn]

43. No joke

i was shopping for male leggings/thermal underwear. I now see tons of ads for see-through mesh underwear, jock straps etc. I'm not looking for that but that is what the algorithms say I want. Not telling women what to wear or men either but the "google" says I want to buy some of that transparent stuff.

[safeinOhio]

6. One must dress for

steaming the wrinkles out of presidential pants while wearing them.

[Ferrets are Cool]

7. Probably a reqirement there. nm

[Kilgore]

8. It is in our office

From what I can see, the days of conservative business attire among women below 40 is pretty much gone.

[magicarpet]

10. The new normal c/o team tr-dump.

[Kilgore]

14. Not sure thats the case

The displays of cleavage, short skirts, and high heels was there well before Trump.

[crazycatlady]

45. Good luck finding it in stores

I'm in my 30s. Now my job is one where I can wear jeans most days, but it is increasingly difficult to find business attire that is age appropriate and affordable. Most women under 40 do not want to dress like their mother/grandmother.

I own one blazer (which I had to go to about 7 different stores to find). In the winter, my business attire is that blazer and a knee length skirt (leggings and boots underneath) or a cardigan instead of the blazer.

In the summer my attire is a just above the knee solid navy dress.

[LanternWaste]

107. Your sentiment may just as accurately apply to males as well.

Your sentiment may just as accurately apply to males as well. Cargo short and flip flops seem a most popular trend.

[magicarpet]

9. Male Privilege....

She presents herself as drool candy for the men at the office. She well knows the assigned and designated lane she is intended to travel - and keeps herself within that lane.

She is a lady who knows her femininity can be used as a tool and/or weapon and intends to wield it to her best advantage to help maintain her current position and help her get ahead.

Her intellect is not the commodity Hope brings to tr-dump table - her offerings at this alter are limited to the superficiality of attractiveness and feminine beauty. Most likely as shallow and hollow as her boss. Appearance means everything - substance means nothing.

[Codeine]

13. When did DU become a bunch of church ladies?

She looks fine; stylish and professional. Standards and norms evolve.

[leftstreet]

19. Is complaining about Steve Bannon's attire 'church lady' ish?

I can't count how many times I've seen Bannon criticized on DU for his unprofessional attire. No one has ever claimed the complaints were those of 'chuch ladies'

[Codeine]

20. Is the woman in question wearing a dirty,

rumpled, ill-fitting shirt? No, she’s wearing a nice outfit that you just don’t like. There’s a difference between Mr. Bannon wearing the unironed contents of his dirty clothes hamper and the outfit in question.

[leftstreet]

23. The OP didn't ask if we 'like' the outfit

The question was - Is it professional office attire?

[Codeine]

27. Yes, yes it is.

There’s really nothing indecent or overly-revealing about what she’s wearing. You can see similar outfits in many workplaces. If a staffer in a Democratic administration were wearing this outfit nobody on DU would complain. The whole issue is ridiculous.

[leftstreet]

29. Finding it unprofessional doesn't instantly mean prudishness

That was my only point. Yes, I think the outfit is quite stylish! But I'm not sure it's appropriate for the WH

Organizations have dress codes for a reason

[Baconator]

51. Is that a knee I see?

Get the fainting couch

[leftstreet]

93. You're not listening

I already said I like her outfit - it's quite stylish

Sigh. As usual, the thread seems to have derailed from the OP's original question.

Do thread respondents consider the attire professional?

[Codeine]

94. It looks professional to me.

Tidy, stylish, and not particularly revealing or sexualized. I fail to see what makes it unprofessional.

[smirkymonkey]

21. Is that his liver bulging out of his shirt?

Man, the guy is not looking healthy. I can understand why his liver would want to escape his body.

[leftstreet]

26. lol

I try not to think about it

[smirkymonkey]

81. Seriously, that is exactly the shape of a liver and in the place where it should be.

If it is his liver, that guy is not long for this world. Look at him again - creepy!

[Ilsa]

25. How is it he has five boobs?

I only have two. Some people have supranumerary mammary glands. But an odd number of boobs is a rarity, don't you think?

[A HERETIC I AM]

64. Maybe he has small litters of puppies

[rusty fender]

65. LOL

[Ilsa]

66. Him, puppies? No no no no no no.

A wolf pack? Maybe.

[lunasun]

106. Demon dogs that suckle him perhaps

[writerJT]

42. No one ever says it is sexist, either.

Nor when Christie is criticized for his weight.

[Shrike47]

91. He needs a better foundation garment.

[Cal Carpenter]

33. This, exactly

of all the things to complain about in the White House...

[Tipperary]

62. Thank you. Numerous posts lately have indicated this is an older group of posters here lol,

It seems we have the lascivious group - who like to speculate as to what certain politicians look like naked - and then there is the church lady group, who start the pearl clutching at an open shoulder blouse or a “gasp” short skirt,

[Agschmid]

71. Yup.

[The_jackalope]

17. People usually dress in a manner deemed appropriate by their employer. Having said that,

If I worked with her, I'd think seriously about hitting on her. For about ten seconds. And then I'd wake up and ask myself wtf I was thinking. Something about her makes me think Black Widow, and I don't intend to become a woman's lunch - even if she wears fetish boots to work...

[Codeine]

22. Fetish boots? Those are just regular

over-the-knee boots, which are perfectly fashionable.

And what kind of person thinks about hitting on coworkers based on their boot choices? Some days this place. . .

[Boomerproud]

31. Back in the 90's female Clinton staffers were criticized for wearing (gasp) slacks in the hallowed

halls of the WH where RR Superstar ALWAYS wore a suit and tie to work! She's a Ivanka wannabee and I can tell you when I worked in the banking industry for 33 years (not involving meeting public), we had strict dress codes and dear little Hope would have been sent home-not paid by your and my tax dollars.

[Baconator]

78. She doesn't work in a bank or in the 90s...

So what's your point?

She would have been kicked out of a temperance movement meeting too... So what?

[smirkymonkey]

83. The question to ask is: How would the republicans react if Michelle Obama wore that outfit.

Not whether it is appropriate or not. I think we all know the answer to that.

[Baconator]

87. They would act like judging prudes who think fashion stopped when they retired...

... just like some folks in this thread.

[The_jackalope]

38. Humour does not travel far on the internet, I guess.

I was kidding around about being a quasi-typical male, but I guess it didn't show.

[Codeine]

39. Oops, my bad.

[The_jackalope]

47. No worries, mate!

[tblue37]

28. I am a 67-year-old woman, but I think her outfit is OK. OTOH, I think Bannon was

often inappropriately dressed for his WH job.

[Dave Starsky]

59. I agree with you about Bannon.

At any workplace I've ever been in, he would have been sent home, along with a bar of soap and a toothbrush.

[hedda_foil]

108. I completely agree with you tblue and I'm 72. It's fairly conservative for today.

Skirts have gone up close to the late 60's miniskirt in length. This is a buttoned up long sleeve, black or navy business dress just a few inches above the knee, with high boots that have relatively sturdy, 2 or 2-1/2" heels. I can't believe people are upset about it. And honestly, Michelle might very well have worn it just an inch or two longer as she's no longer in her 20's.

[PunksMom]

30. Regardless of where I worked

there was always a dress code. I’m not sure if the WH standards, oh wait...they have no standards.
Do we really expect anything more?

[OregonBlue]

32. Well said.

[former9thward]

34. Yes.

In any office I have been in.

[MaryMagdaline]

35. Nothing wrong with it

Flowered pants on the left ... hideous taste but nothing wrong for office wear

[democratisphere]

36. Hope is young, stylish and looks fine.

[brush]

41. Is that Hope Hicks? Doesn't Hicks have black hair?

[democratisphere]

44. Hope changes her hair color and style; looks like she added highlights recently.

[JI7]

69. She colored her hair

[Blue_true]

37. Her skirt is almost to the knees, that isn't short.

A short skirt would be above mid thigh. The boots should go. She should go, she has zero qualifications for the job.

[Lucinda]

85. The skirt isn't anywhere near her knees. Those are thigh high boots and

the skirt ends above them. You can see where her knee is in the boot that's scrunched a bit lower.

I wouldn't wear a skirt that short in an office setting, but overall she looks fine.

[Blue_true]

88. I have seen women wear mid thigh skirts in the office, about 4 inches above the knee.

I never had an issue with that and did not look at it in a sexual way by any measure. They were just coworkers.

[Vinca]

40. Hope's attire is fine, but what's with the person next to her???

Looks like something I'd schlep around the house in.

[crazycatlady]

46. In terms of skirt length

Many organizations (and schools) have a 'fingertip rule' where if your fingertips reach the hemline of the skirt it is fine. It looks like this skirt meets the fingertip rule.

As far as over the knee boots-- that's what's fashionable this season. Don't criticize a woman in her 20s for wearing fashionable clothes.

[Demit]

50. It's not criticizing her for wearing fashionable clothes. The issue is whether

the clothes (the boots especially) are appropriate as office wear. If the setting was a trendy Georgetown bar and not the White House, no problem.

[blogslut]

48. I'd rather talk about those ridiculous embroidered pants on whisper lady.

I wouldn't even wear those ironically.

As for the willingness of people to deprive Ms. Hicks of her agency due to stupidity or youth or because she's some sexual toy, nope. She is a grown-ass woman and her choice to be evil is all her own.

[Ligyron]

49. Yeah, it'll fly.

I like her boots.

Hope's problem isn't her clothing, it's her choice in men.

[Codeine]

54. They really are nice boots. nt

[OneBlueDotBama]

52. For working on a pirate vessel, yes N/T

[Quemado]

89. The Trump White House is a pirate vessel

nt

[RKP5637]

53. tRump's idea of transparency, I guess.

[HipChick]

55. Lmao! Not quite the transparency I was thinking about...

[Nevernose]

56. It would pass school dress code

And it’s totally appropriate office wear. It’s not skin tight, it’s not revealing.

She’s pretty. If people are distracted by that, that says more about them then about Hope Hicks outfit.

[thbobby]

57. At least she is not wearing a tan suit. nt

[Dave Starsky]

58. It depends on what line of work you're in.

So, for her, yes.

[sarah FAILIN]

68. +1

[WhiskeyGrinder]

60. A+++ would wear those boots.

[guillaumeb]

61. What "job" are we talking about?

Depending on the employer, it might be.

[3catwoman3]

63. I'm a nurse practitioner in a pediatric office.

The docs and I wear street clothes and no lab coats.

I ypically examine smal children while they are sitting on a parental lap. We get lots of dads bringing in their kids. I scrupulously avoid anything with a V-neck. When I am leaning forward to examine the kid, I don't need what modest cleavage I have being available to be looked at.

[sarah FAILIN]

67. Lace up pirate boots are only for certain venues imo

Stripper poles..cos play outfits...the privacy of your bedroom.
My hubby loves them. He wouldn't want me wearing them to work.

[HipChick]

70. Maybe that's why she's wearing them..

WH streetwalker or something ?

[sarah FAILIN]

73. That's what I thought

Eye candy for old men.

[Cal Carpenter]

76. Streetwalker? Really?

Let me guess, if she gets harassed she deserves it because she should have dressed differently?

I need to just hide this thread. It's disgusting.

[Demit]

79. Nobody is saying that.

If you can't grasp that the criticism is about what kind of dress is appropriate in an office setting—and boots like these are designed to be sexually alluring, to make the woman wearing them look "hot"—then yes, you probably should quit trying to put words into people's mouths and hide the thread.

[Cal Carpenter]

80. Wow

Keep talking. I don't need to put words in anyone's mouth. You're making your position clear just fine yourself. You think a woman wouldn't wear attractive boots unless her goal is to be sexually alluring to people in her workplace. That's fucked up.

Thread trashed.

[HipChick]

82. If my boss had described me as "a piece of tail"

that would have told me all I needed to know about my value in an organization...I would have quit there and then..
It's unfortunate that people want to read into what they want...

[JI7]

72. I think she dresses very well. She is still an asshole

[meadowlander]

74. Yes. I've worked with lawyers who dress similarly in court.

Can we get back to discussing the dismantlement of our democratic institutions?

[HipChick]

75. We are pretty much fucked...those in charge of protecting the

the dismantlement of our democratic institutions ain't doing shit...

[SunSeeker]

84. No lawyer wears over the thigh lace up boots to court.

[SunSeeker]

86. The obvious answer is no, neither of those women are wearing typical office wear. nt

[TuxedoKat]

90. I think she looks fine

Stylish and professional -- and I'm fairly conservative when it comes to office attire. I've seen questionable outfits on some women in cable news though. I'm thinking dresses I would expect to see at a cocktail party or nightclub.

[jmowreader]

92. Even though you don't like the outfit, it's fine.

She'd never be allowed to wear it at my shop...part of our operation qualifies as a factory, so the heels she is wearing wouldn't be acceptable. If they were lower, you could wear that. However, the dress IS office wear in this time.

What I can't believe is Trump allows anyone to wear embroidered jeans and a sweatshirt like the woman in back has on.

[EX500rider]

95. I think the outfit is fine for office work..if you want inappropriate see Latin weather girls:

[Generic Brad]

96. Not in any office I've ever worked in

That would even be inappropriate for casual Friday.

[kcr]

97. Not necessarily unprofessional. But those boots are hideously ugly.

And the pants the woman standing by her is wearing are even worse. Does anyone working in this White House know how to dress?

[BigDemVoter]

98. Well. . . All I can say is that the First Lady showed her genitals, so what can one expect

from others at the office after Melania set the tone?

And for the record, I don't give a good goddamn what she wears, but if this were Michelle Obama or any other Democrat, we would be hearing the entire Repig echo chamber screaming, "Whore!"

[sanatanadharma]

99. Is that the presidential ...

...lap dance chair

BTW, according to my wife, high heels are never appropriate attire except for masochists

[ismnotwasm]

100. She looks fine.

The lady she is with is causally attired, there is no context for this picture and I can despise Hicks without worrying about what she has on.

[dawg day]

101. She sort of looks like she would wield a whip

Maybe that's how she keeps Rob Porter passive.

[Turbineguy]

102. It's the trump administortion

one would think "submit boots" are de rigeur.

[HipChick]

105. The teen just me know that those boots are commonly known as "come fuck me boots"...

K....guess I learn something new everyday...

[Hoyt]

103. Perfect for a Nazi command center.

[Texasgal]

104. You not a very "hip chick"

are you?

There is NOTHING wrong with this attire. It's modern and what women are wearing.