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Gillibrand: If Trump wants due process we'll hold hearings on allegations against him (Original Post) triron Feb 2018 OP
Oh, Kirsten! You mean like the hearings you *meant* to hold for Al Franken no_hypocrisy Feb 2018 #1
appropo! triron Feb 2018 #3
Apparently she thinks that due process is something that gets handed out at the enough Feb 2018 #4
Turns out she's not just gullible (falling for the hit job on Franken), but not too smart either. brush Feb 2018 #6
Exactly. NT enough Feb 2018 #7
She was JUST one of like 35 Democrats to call for Franken to resign. Blue_true Feb 2018 #10
Senator Kirsten Gillibrand On Senator Al Franken: 'Enough Is Enough' NBC News no_hypocrisy Feb 2018 #12
You did not address my point, she was ONE of 35. nt Blue_true Feb 2018 #13
She started the whole thing, got the others on the bandwagon. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2018 #16
So, she is either a pure leader, or we have a lot of blind followers. Blue_true Feb 2018 #19
OK, let's get more information. no_hypocrisy Feb 2018 #22
If enough was enough bdamomma Feb 2018 #20
Exactly, still so pissed off at her. a kennedy Feb 2018 #23
Trump decries lack of due process for men accused of sexual harassment, abuse TomCADem Feb 2018 #25
Al Franken called. TheCowsCameHome Feb 2018 #2
Like the due process you gave Al Franken, Sen. Gillibrand? The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2018 #5
I know I'll never forgive her. Not ever. scarletwoman Feb 2018 #9
I hope we start seeing more of Franken. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2018 #11
Will never forgive her, and will never forget about my Senator Franken. a kennedy Feb 2018 #24
I will never forgive her or forget what she did to one of the most progressive voices in the Senate dflprincess Feb 2018 #27
So due process for Trump but not for Franken. IluvPitties Feb 2018 #8
i might appreciate that sentiment if she had a shred of credibility left. Takket Feb 2018 #14
So drumpf gets consideration, while Franken gets dumped. democratisphere Feb 2018 #15
Ambition and a small intellect only take you places if you are Donald Trump. Tatiana Feb 2018 #17
I share your opinion on both of my Senators. Sigh. nt jrthin Feb 2018 #26
My take cilla4progress Feb 2018 #18
But that kind of thinking suggests that some people shouldn't take every SharonClark Feb 2018 #21
What she did to Al doesn't speak well about her character. IluvPitties Feb 2018 #29
hold hearings on allegations , like you did for AL ... stonecutter357 Feb 2018 #28

no_hypocrisy

(46,150 posts)
1. Oh, Kirsten! You mean like the hearings you *meant* to hold for Al Franken
Sat Feb 10, 2018, 10:42 PM
Feb 2018

BEFORE YOU DEMANDED THAT HE RESIGN??????

enough

(13,260 posts)
4. Apparently she thinks that due process is something that gets handed out at the
Sat Feb 10, 2018, 10:45 PM
Feb 2018

pleasure of particularly important Senators.

brush

(53,801 posts)
6. Turns out she's not just gullible (falling for the hit job on Franken), but not too smart either.
Sat Feb 10, 2018, 10:53 PM
Feb 2018

Mentioning holding a hearing for trump just brings back the recent memories of how she railroaded Al Franken out of office without a hearing.

Repug trump, an admitted sexual abuser, is somehow worthy of a hearing but her own Democratic colleague was not.

WTF?

She needs to be keeping a very low profile instead of showcasing her own stunningly, stupid hypocrisy, not to mention her tone-deaf thirst for headlines and power.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
10. She was JUST one of like 35 Democrats to call for Franken to resign.
Sat Feb 10, 2018, 11:03 PM
Feb 2018

Why the special bile for Kirsten? Is it she is female who vigorously prosecute systemic abusers of women? Logically, why?

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
19. So, she is either a pure leader, or we have a lot of blind followers.
Sat Feb 10, 2018, 11:42 PM
Feb 2018

Which is it? She could have said her piece and not been followed, the fact that she was followed means that the followers saw truth in her position.

no_hypocrisy

(46,150 posts)
22. OK, let's get more information.
Sun Feb 11, 2018, 08:03 PM
Feb 2018

This very issue is being addressed on "Sixty Minutes" this hour (probably the last installment).

Let her explain why she didn't wait for Al Franken to get his due process BEFORE she demanded that he resign.

TomCADem

(17,390 posts)
25. Trump decries lack of due process for men accused of sexual harassment, abuse
Sun Feb 11, 2018, 10:10 PM
Feb 2018

Who would ever think that "progressives" and Trump would be on the same page when it comes to men accused of sexual harassment?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-decries-lack-of-due-process-for-men-accused-of-sexual-harassment-abuse/2018/02/10/fb6f7e08-0e89-11e8-95a5-c396801049ef_story.html?utm_term=.da51852ff834

President Trump on Saturday appeared to side with men accused of domestic abuse or sexual misconduct, following a week of turmoil surrounding allegations of spousal abuse against two male aides that brought the national #MeToo movement inside the White House.

In a tweet, Trump questioned whether “due process” is being given to those accused of wrongdoing and expressed sympathy for their damaged careers and sullied reputations.

“Peoples lives are being shattered and destroyed by a mere allegation,” Trump tweeted Saturday morning. “Some are true and some are false. Some are old and some are new. There is no recovery for someone falsely accused — life and career are gone. Is there no such thing any longer as Due Process?”

The brief message, which made no mention of the accusers, marks the president’s most pointed response to the ongoing national reckoning with sexual harassment and abuse and put him seemingly at odds with a movement that in recent months has led to the downfall of several powerful men accused of abhorrent behavior.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,789 posts)
5. Like the due process you gave Al Franken, Sen. Gillibrand?
Sat Feb 10, 2018, 10:53 PM
Feb 2018

You're willing to give Trump due process but not one of your own senators?

I don't think I'll ever forgive what she did.

scarletwoman

(31,893 posts)
9. I know I'll never forgive her. Not ever.
Sat Feb 10, 2018, 11:02 PM
Feb 2018

I know you're a fellow Minnesotan - our Senator was taken away and he did not deserve it.

I don't know any Minnesota Democrat who isn't totally pissed off about it.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,789 posts)
11. I hope we start seeing more of Franken.
Sat Feb 10, 2018, 11:06 PM
Feb 2018

I expect he'll be campaigning for Tina Smith, but it totally sucks that his Senate seat is up at all this year. That was such an incredibly dumb and damaging move on Gillibrand's part. I hope she doesn't plan on trying to get the Dem nomination in 2020; she'll certainly crash and burn in MN.

dflprincess

(28,081 posts)
27. I will never forgive her or forget what she did to one of the most progressive voices in the Senate
Sun Feb 11, 2018, 10:26 PM
Feb 2018

and one of the very few who did not hesitate to call out Trump and his appointees.

Tatiana

(14,167 posts)
17. Ambition and a small intellect only take you places if you are Donald Trump.
Sat Feb 10, 2018, 11:34 PM
Feb 2018

It's not really a good look on Gillibrand. I feel like a fool for thinking that she was starting to fill Sen. Clinton's shoes. She's really not fit to shine them (and I'm not too keen on the senior senator from NY either).

cilla4progress

(24,759 posts)
18. My take
Sat Feb 10, 2018, 11:40 PM
Feb 2018

Gillibrand is great and I will campaign hard for her if she is our 2020 candidate. Yeah!

I disagree with how Franken was treated, including by her, and I think his absence hurts our cause.

I think mature individuals can hold both opinions without inner conflict.

You don’t have to choose.

Like Obama and TPP.

SharonClark

(10,014 posts)
21. But that kind of thinking suggests that some people shouldn't take every
Sun Feb 11, 2018, 01:58 AM
Feb 2018

opportunity to bash KG. Where's the fun in doing that?

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