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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsUnsealed court docs point to Trump AND kids fraud charges going back 20 years.
If we had any doubt how much Ivanka and Eric. were part of the family syndicate...
This article has lots of Sater-Trump info, well worth the read.
The Trump family hid a dark secret through the financing, construction and attempts to sell the Trump SoHo; Saters past as a felon shouldve disqualified him from borrowing $350 million or owning the company that did.
Instead, the Trump family, which leaked emails show knew about Saters felonious past, kept it all quiet in the wake of the New York Times revealing the conviction, and even as the project solicited new financing.
Ivanka and Eric Trump were close to being criminally charged for their roles in Trump SoHo until family fixer attorney Marc Kasowitz intervened, and was later discovered to have given a substantial political donation to the Manhattan D.A. Cyrus Vance.
Mueller is investigating the SoHo scheme, now.
Greybnk48
(10,169 posts)and they don't all walk away scot free. I have faith in Mueller.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)They got it covered.
dchill
(38,514 posts)Greybnk48
(10,169 posts)She thinks, in the end, he's going to save us from these mobsters by charging them with things that they cannot get pardoned for.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)Between Federal law and state law, there will be enuff charges to go around.
pnwmom
(108,989 posts)in Maryland and California, both Democratic states.
Sanity Claws
(21,850 posts)Are you sure The Donald does?
pnwmom
(108,989 posts)mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)Wounded Bear
(58,677 posts)after the influx of Puerto Ricans this past year.
PunksMom
(440 posts)Please, please, please...let it happen soon!
BigmanPigman
(51,615 posts)when he gets these criminals convicted. I think he must have a red letter S on a blue body stocking and cape under his suit.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)There will be no pardons for those charges.
triron
(22,009 posts)magicarpet
(14,159 posts)lindysalsagal
(20,714 posts)In the end, it's his own criminality he'll have to defend and the congress will just shrug and swear in pencil.
magicarpet
(14,159 posts)..... if not mistaken - can bring RICO charges against the Orange King Shit-gibbon and no fed pardon can be placed on the table to protect him.
If Mueller's investigation is derailed or this Congress with McConnell/Ryan calling the shots and allows the Orange Blob to walk away scot-free - NY State courts will fry team tr-dump for all their illegalities. NY anti fraud laws and continuing criminal enterprise laws are as stringent as fed laws if not more so.
Tr-dump will hopefully pay for his decades of circumventing the law for personal profit and having his illegal gains raked back to the point of his financial destitution.
lindysalsagal
(20,714 posts)dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)Wonder what the statute of limitations are on RICO?
FakeNoose
(32,693 posts)That would be an awesome scenario. However Mueller's plan is also a good one. I hope both Schneiderman and Mueller get to be the ones to usher Trump out of the White House in shackles on that magic day!
lindysalsagal
(20,714 posts)Amaryllis
(9,525 posts)onit2day
(1,201 posts)Eyeball_Kid
(7,433 posts)then he's going to be indicted and prosecuted. And when that happens, it will be an especially happy time because the MONEY Trumpy gained from any and all organized endeavors under RICO can and likely WILL be confiscated.
But there's another possibility, and if this is an issue, Mueller certainly knows about it: Tax Evasion. I'd place the probability at around 80% that this will be a surprise indictment that no one's really looking for right now. One of the first actions that Comey likely took (remember, he BEGAN the Trumpy investigation) was to obtain his tax records from the IRS. That was a mandatory move that ANY investigator would make, and Comey likely did it right out of the starting gate.
FakeNoose
(32,693 posts)However there is disagreement as to whether a sitting President can ever be indicted. Trump seems to think he gets a free ride while he's still in office. It's never happened before, and there would be lots of discussion and running to the Supreme Court for rulings. If the SCOTUS rules one way, can the NY Supreme Court rule another way? Who knows.
I don't know about you, but I hope they test this and decide once and for all, and get this done. The longer Cheeto stays in office the more fucked up we're getting every single day. We have to get him out whatever way we can.
After Trump is out of office - either by impeachment or by losing the next election - his goose is cooked. He's going to jail for life.
spanone
(135,855 posts)Upthevibe
(8,059 posts)....Will read tomorrow....
Grammy23
(5,810 posts)It is pretty clear that the stress on tRump is through the roof. He knows deep down what he has done. So do his kids. They have gotten away with so much for so long, all of them probably think they can pull it off one more time. But you gotta know that the anxiety of it all must be eating them alive. tRump seems to have gotten nastier by the day. Ivanka and Jared are oddly not on the scene very much. Don Jr. and Eric are off chewing their nails or planning their next safari.
If there is any justice in this world (and I am not sure there is) all of them and quite a few more White House employees will go to prison for a long time. Id like to think that tRump himself will die in prison wearing an orange jumpsuit and his real hair. No Dye, lacquer, ultra sticky hair spray or self tanning cream. Eeekkk. The thought of that makes my stomach ache.
The walls are closing in on all of them. Meanwhile, tRump is desperately trying to figure a way out. He is a trapped rat. And no one can save him. No one. Expect lots more desperate moves before this ends. None of it will help. Might delay things. But the time to pay up is near.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,388 posts)TrumPutin will be screaming about bias:
PRESENT:
José A. Cabranes,
Rosemary S. Pooler,
Denny Chin,
Circuit Judges.
Bwahaha!
triron
(22,009 posts)AmericanActivist
(1,019 posts)to reading them even if its more than 10 pages I can handle it
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)back in 2017 to issue updates. New Yorker, NY Mag, Vanity Fair have provided some pretty good coverage of the Trumps, goings on in their neighborhood and all.
Calista241
(5,586 posts)And the article reports that Felix Saters company, Bayrock Group, LLC, borrowed the $350 million to build the project. The CIM Group, a well known LA based investment firm, A junior lender in the deal, ended up foreclosing on the property in 2014.
Vanity Fair reported that the Trump org didnt invest any capital into the project, and simply licensed the Trump name in exchange for royalties off of profits that supposedly never materialized.
The legal issues for the Trumps seem to stem from the fact that the Trumps knew Sater was a convicted felon, and was ineligible to qualify for a loan of that size.
Sater was also an FBI informant, and was complimented on his work by Loretta Lynch.
Sanity Claws
(21,850 posts)It would be admissible to show modus operandi, a pattern of behavior. Shows intent.
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)Seem to recall he busted for something illegal and got his sentencing suspended in exchange for acting as an informant for a time. Not sure if that time overlaps with TT deal, however.
disalitervisum
(470 posts)The multi-layered equity structure scam of trump properties used for tax distribution/evasion and money laundering tie into establishment of fronts for foreign covert actions on American soil going back to 1987.
Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)Cha
(297,446 posts)By Mueller! .. Mahalo, dixiegrrrrl!
NCDem777
(458 posts)report on this in 2016?
Oh right they were too busy reporting on tweets in between giving airtime to every Clinton Conspiracy theorist
muriel_volestrangler
(101,341 posts)The backdrop to that unusual denouement was a gathering legal storm that threatened to cast a harsh light on how he did business. Besides the fraud accusations, a separate lawsuit claimed that Trump SoHo was developed with the undisclosed involvement of convicted felons and financing from questionable sources in Russia and Kazakhstan.
And hovering over it all was a criminal investigation, previously unreported, by the Manhattan district attorney into whether the fraud alleged by the condo buyers broke any laws, according to documents and interviews with five people familiar with it. The buyers initially helped in the investigation, but as part of their lawsuit settlement, they had to notify prosecutors that they no longer wished to do so.
...
Mr. Sater was convicted and sent to prison in 1993 after a New York bar fight in which he stabbed a man in the face with a broken margarita glass. That was a matter of public record. However, what few people beyond insiders at Bayrock knew was that five years later, Mr. Sater was implicated in a huge stock manipulation scheme involving Mafia figures and Russian criminals and that he became a confidential F.B.I. informant.
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/06/us/politics/donald-trump-soho-settlement.html?_r=0
Gabi Hayes
(28,795 posts)Instead, how often did anyone hear about this story after the Times published it?
Liberal media, my kneecap
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)Both of those projects involved a shady partner who got the questionable funds ( money laundering) while Trump did the publicity and sold some condos.
It is the identical pattern of his properties all over the globe, going back decades.
Nevernose
(13,081 posts)When the NYT published this story last year, the part that people paid attention to was the small part of the story about Weinstein. #metoo was born but Jared and Ivanka were completely forgotten about the next.
Hugin
(33,176 posts)reality.
Given all of his corruption over the years something should have taken him down long ago.
Instead, he's been appointed President while much better people never received a chance at all or are languishing in prison.
dalton99a
(81,558 posts)panader0
(25,816 posts)stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)lindysalsagal
(20,714 posts)fRump is nothing BUT swamp.
magicarpet
(14,159 posts)Ilsa
(61,695 posts)I'm happy this is being brought up again, but which part of it is new information?
FakeNoose
(32,693 posts)So old news, but new details and further clarification of Ivanka and Jared's involvement in the SoHo deal.
I don't think this stuff was reported back in 1998 but I could be wrong. Trump still had a pretty good hold on the NY media in 1998 and he used to threaten lawsuits and shit. He's gotten way too many passes from the media over the years, but it's all coming out now.
B Stieg
(2,410 posts)The deception with tact, just what are you trying to say?
You've got a blank face, which irritates
Communicate, pull out your party piece
You see dimensions in two
State your case with black or white
But when one little cross leads to shots, grit your teeth
You run for cover so discreet, why don't they
Do what they say, say what you mean, and baby
One [Scam] leads to another
You told me something wrong, I know I listen too long but then
One [Scam] leads to another
malaise
(269,114 posts)NOW
bluestarone
(17,005 posts)Me.
(35,454 posts)lancelyons
(988 posts)Trump is immune to problems. He can do whatever he wants and there will be no repercussions.
The only thing that will change this is the 2018 election. If we can make it that far.
This election will be for the heart and soul of USA. If we dont win this election we are in trouble.
As we speak I am sure Trump is working with Russians to help the GOP win. This might be why 3 top russian cyber intelligence officials came and met with Americans Intelligence officials.
The attack on Schiff and the naked trump picture shows how quickly the russians can jump on something leading me to believe this is a coordinated from USA.
Everybody has to vote... Dont let your desires for Bernie or another candidate or pure ideological ideas get in the way.
This will be perhaps our last chance to take back our country.
The Republicans are not going to play by the rules. They dont care if they break the rules or break laws. They are currently immune to this.
When we take back the country.. I am going to ask my elected officials to focus on preventing this from happening again.
- If trump had been forced to release tax records things might have been different.
- fox news has to be destroyed or we have to start fighting fire with fire.
We cant just be the group with honor, dignity and integrity.. we have to get these people out of the way. We have to stop them.
Takket
(21,600 posts)I want drumpf out of office ASAP. I don't think mueller should be using time and resources on EVERY crime the drumpf cabal ever committed. Tie the Russia noose around their neck and let's get the show on the road. We can hammer him on all these corrupt real estate deals as well AFTER he's been locked up for being a traitor.
George II
(67,782 posts)dchill
(38,514 posts)Doodley
(9,116 posts)It would be so unlike Trump to lie, wouldn't it?
dawg day
(7,947 posts)His father?
resigned from the Carter White House on a point of principle (he was against that invasion of Iran to get back the hostages, though it's not all that clear if it was a moral objection or a practical one).
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)red dog 1
(27,837 posts)(From OpEdNews yesterday)
"Is Trump's Reichstag-Fire Moment Close at Hand?"
zentrum
(9,865 posts)Seems a clear bribe IMO.
He's like Cuomo in that the son is no where as authentic and honest as the father.
Didn't Vance also refuse to bring charges against Weinstein, after he received a campaign contribution, even though it was strong sexual assault case?
He could have ended the Trump nightmare for us back then.
dlk
(11,574 posts)not fooled
(5,801 posts)the grandfather came to the US to dodge the draft in Germany, and made his fortune running brothels. The father or grandfather was in a KKK march.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)Which will be ruinous for the family.
Be a rotten shame to lose their sterling reputation.....