Civil War

[Laura PourMeADrink]

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Whoa...Kansas?



2008 Results:

[teddy51]

1. Scary for sure. So where are we headed with this? You think a resumed civil war?

[Laura PourMeADrink]

2. no, just think it never truly ended. the south never really went with the

program...still resentful, generations passed on to future generations.

you?

[teddy51]

7. I seriously don't think it ever ended. Seems obvious to me that the Right Wingers along

with their counter parts the Tea Baggers are going to do anything they can to eliminate Lefties. Don't know if we are headed for a continuation of the the civil war, or what?

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

8. It never ended.

The "stupid" just needed some time to resurface.

If we are headed for a continuation it will not be north vs south, but us vs them; in every state. As in the prior conflict the numbers for them did not make for a winning strategy. The numbers are still against them today regardless of the wealth that they have accumulated.

Nobody should really want to see such times.

[OmahaBlueDog]

3. Bleeding Kansas

John Brown made a name for himself there.

[coalition_unwilling]

9. Careful invoking John Brown here. You'll cue the DU anti-terrorist

squad in 3 . . . 2 . . . 1. You know, the people who claim they hate slavery but oppose the use of violence to end it.

[OmahaBlueDog]

12. History's great irony: John Brown's rebellion is put down at Harper's Ferry by....

Union General Robert E. Lee

[coalition_unwilling]

13. So many ironies. I often wonder how history might have turned had

Brown continued to hold the east-bound midnight train in Harper's Ferry. Instead, by letting it go, he allowed those on the train to spread the alarm.

By the same token, had one of McClellan's men not discovered a copy of Lee's orders in 1862, the battle of Antietam might have taken an entirely different turn.

Consider this: had Lee lost the Peninsula campaign, the South would have re-entered the Union with slavery intact! Now how's that for irony?

[loli phabay]

4. makes you realise the last thing you want is another civil war

[slackmaster]

5. The history of the admission of Kansas is interesting

I recommend reading about it.

(I was born there FWIW.)

[Rosa Luxemburg]

6. Wow!

[krispos42]

10. Wasn't California a state by then, too? n/t

[Laura PourMeADrink]

11. Yes...but on the periphery

California's involvement in the American Civil War included sending gold east, recruiting volunteer combat units to replace regular forces in territories of the Western United States, maintaining and building numerous camps and fortifications, suppressing secessionist activity and securing the New Mexico Territory against the Confederacy. The State of California did not send its units east, but many citizens traveled east and joined the Union Army there, some of whom became famous. California's Volunteers also conducted many operations against the native peoples within the state and in the other Western territories of the Departments of the Pacific and New Mexico.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_in_the_American_Civil_War

[Lizzie Poppet]

14. The problem is, things are more mixed than that graphic makes it seem.

If we're basing this on each state's presidential voting record, you have to take into account that most states are "red" or "blue" by single-digit percentages. To use the color motif, states aren't red or blue at all, they're slightly-varying shades of purple.

I think that means any potential civil war in the US wouldn't fall out on a regional basis, but would be more of a widespread violent dissolution of societal order, one with a "class warfare" tinge to it.

[kctim]

16. Yep

Would probably be more urban vs. rural.

[Lizzie Poppet]

17. Good point.

I live in Oregon, where the urban vs rural divide is really pronounced. Most of the state, in terms of geographical area, is pretty conservative, but the larger part of the population lives in the Willamette Valley (from here in Portland down to Eugene). That area and a few liberal "islands" like Ashland tilt the state blue in national-level elections. State level elections can go either way, as the Oregon GOP often has sense enough to run relatively moderate Republicans for offices like governor.

[Wolf Frankula]

15. Oregon also was a state by then

The state's motto, 'The Union' leaves no doubt on whose side the state was. I think some volunteers served in the Union Army. Also I believe there was a battle fought between some teabagger types and the state militia. The rebels were easily routed.

Wolf