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Stonepounder

(4,033 posts)
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 01:25 AM Feb 2018

Am I being too hopeful?

Am I hearing a faint creak of a tipping point? I'm hearing an awful lot of anger from not only MSNBC and CNN commentators, but also from amazingly articulate students from Parkland, their friends, neighbors, and across the country. Have we, as a nation, finally discovered that buried deep down we do have a sense of shame?

When a writer for a late night comedy show takes the time to link up 'thoughts and prayers' tweets with the amount various politicians have received from the NRA, when students look directly into the camera and ask 'why haven't you done more to protect us?' Have we finally reached, if not a full-fledged turning point, at least slowing of our mad dash to see how many people we can kill with guns before we say 'enough?

Maybe I am just being too Pollyanna, be it feels like there is a shift, no matter how small, a shift in the winds of change. One can but hope.

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Am I being too hopeful? (Original Post) Stonepounder Feb 2018 OP
Here are my thoughts on this... GReedDiamond Feb 2018 #1
Can't argue with that!! Stonepounder Feb 2018 #2
GOP are trotting out novel excuses for trying to quell the tipping point. applegrove Feb 2018 #3
One can only hope. Egnever Feb 2018 #4
I felt a little of what you're feeling Control-Z Feb 2018 #5
Don't fall for their bullshit. world wide wally Feb 2018 #6
perhaps #METOO has shown we don't have to take this shit Skittles Feb 2018 #7
I thought the same thing today Hamlette Feb 2018 #8
I think part of it is not having a Democratic president to spin conspiracy theories around. betsuni Feb 2018 #9

GReedDiamond

(5,316 posts)
1. Here are my thoughts on this...
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 01:29 AM
Feb 2018

Hey GOPers:

FUCK your "thoughts and prayers"

FUCK your guns

Fuck the NRA

FUCK TRUMP

applegrove

(118,749 posts)
3. GOP are trotting out novel excuses for trying to quell the tipping point.
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 01:35 AM
Feb 2018

I think you are right. Rubio said no law would have stopped this Florida shooter but he is wrong: not selling an AT - 15 to someone so young would have saved lives. Even if he only had access to a rifle many lives would have been saved. So too if he had been put off buying a gun until 21 his record of demented action by then, 3 more years, may have made him fail a background check then. Giving young adults more time to reveal their character would work to save lives.

Control-Z

(15,682 posts)
5. I felt a little of what you're feeling
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 02:41 AM
Feb 2018

before the shooting. Over the past few weeks. The security clearance. The lies and cheating exposed and the reaction to it. People have been reacting more along the lines of how I think people should. News people just throwing up their hands lately with each lie.

I was going to ask if anyone else was feeling it earlier this week.

world wide wally

(21,751 posts)
6. Don't fall for their bullshit.
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 02:46 AM
Feb 2018

No, a ban on assault weapons wouldn't have an immediate impact, but over 10 or 15 years, you would see the change taking hold for the better. So, IF we are able to effect any gun laws at all, in a year or two they will be telling you the laws don't work.
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Hamlette

(15,412 posts)
8. I thought the same thing today
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 03:42 AM
Feb 2018

it sounds different this time. More like Sandy Hook. Kids of any age changes the tone.

betsuni

(25,596 posts)
9. I think part of it is not having a Democratic president to spin conspiracy theories around.
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 04:06 AM
Feb 2018

There's no convenient scapegoat to distract people. Since the government isn't going to come take your guns, maybe people are thinking about it differently.

It reminds me of the Obama drone thing. During the Obama administration, if you said something nice about him, inevitably you'd get at least one response about how Obama is killing innocent people with drones. Obama = drones, one of main anti-Democratic talking point attacks, same as the Hillary-is-a-warmonger. Under the current administration civilians killed by drone warfare is higher so far than during the entire Obama admin. But do we ever hear about drones? Nope.

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