Been seeing a lot of horseshit that teachers should be armed.

[LuckyCharms]

And that this is the way to solve the problem of school shootings.

As a non-insane person, here is how I see this:

1) Teachers perform one of the most important jobs in the world. Most teachers have a calling to educate.

2) So of course, for non-thinking motherfuckers. it makes absolute sense to strap a pistol on them and task them with performing a soldier's duty. I mean, why not, right?

3) What teacher would not want to take a pause from mathematics to respond to some semi-automatic fire in the hallway by trying to stop shaking enough to shoot the perpetrator? Seems to me like they would welcome the diversion.

4) What teacher would not want to show themselves as a person shooting a gun during the mass chaos when the police arrive and try to sort out what is happening? I mean, they get paid enough to do this shit, right? RIGHT?

And this is the type of thought process that makes me want to slap the shit out of people for being so fucking dumb.

[LisaM]

1. I read a post from a FB friend yesterday...

She's forwarding a meme that every school in the country (!) should hire three ex-military personnel who would stand armed at the front door of the school.

[Shrike47]

8. Ask her how much more shes willing to pay in taxes each year for that.

Say $2,000 a year for the soldiers at the closest school? See if she’s all wind or serious.

[LisaM]

12. I hid the post!

She's from a military family and it was obviously sent through some military FB group (plus she has a habit of simply forwarding things on that she later ends up retracting when people point out they're flawed), but if I see it again, I think I'll figure out what it costs to pay three full-time employees (plus benefits) at a school......

[TheMastersNemesis]

2. I Think Someone Who Even Says It Should Get Slapped Right On The Spot. Or Told STFU

[aikoaiko]

3. I think you'd be surprised how many teachers

Would carry concealed if allowed.

[LuckyCharms]

4. I'm sure some would, and I'm also sure that

it would be a fool's errand.

[aikoaiko]

9. Its true. Its hard to be in the right place at the right time and do the right thing right.

[Gabi Hayes]

14. Parkland

All the jr. highs in my district, five, have pistol packing cops on duty all day long

This in a moderately well to do suburb of Chicago

Over twenty years

We lock all classroom doors all day long

Need a key to get in, just like the school in Oregon last fall, where lives were saved as a result

There is no way to protect against the myriad ways an intelligent interloper with more than half a brain can gain access, if he takes the time to find out the weaknesses in any school system’s precautionary tactics

It’s going to happen again, and relatively soon, before any sort of actual crackdowns take place

[sharp_stick]

5. Two things nobody who advocates this

has ever answered for me.

1) Who's going to pay for the training and refreshers they'll need to properly carry and use the weapons in an environment loaded with civilian children

2) Who'd going to pay for the incredibly expensive liability insurance that would be required of everyone in this position.

I caused one 2A nut to seize up when I suggested that it could be paid for by taxing weapons and ammunition in the same way as tobacco is. That was funny.

[Shrike47]

6. When the armed janitor shoots a kid, the lawsuits will be so exciting!

[lagomorph777]

7. #NRAROUBLES at work.

[GreenPartyVoter]

10. I personally do not want a weapon around when I am teaching. I would

have to keep it locked away from the kiddos, so it wouldn't be very accessible when most needed. Further, I am not sure I can fire on another human being, and if I am in fact able to, I am very unsure I won't hit other people as well.

I have enough to do as an educator besides getting trained as a cop. This doesn't mean I don't care about my students and keeping them safe, simply that I am not a cop because I know I am not well-suited to that line of work.

[Lee-Lee]

11. It isnt for everyone but there is some viability to it

Not so much because the odds are that the teacher will be in the exact right place at the right time- but it could happen- but for the deterrent value. One thing all these mass shooters have in common is that they make their plans for places and times where they can evade any chance of armed resistance. And almost always when the first sign of armed resistance appears they either give up or kill themselves.

Knowledge that some people in the location may be or will be armed has a deterrent value. That’s why we have armed guards at banks- and it says something that we put more value on defending money than kids in the steps we take to protect them.

Now, it should require more than just a concealed carry permit.

But you could easily take someone with a knowledge of firearms already who is a willing student and in a 40 hour class have them well prepared to handle a response from inside the school.

Then strict requirements on how it is carried in specified retention holsters or secured in a single safe in the desk with biometric locks.

A few of the right people, properly trained, working under strict rules about equipment and policies would be no harm but of potentially great value.

It wouldn’t be for everyone, or even the vast majority, to do. But some are capable.

[GulfCoast66]

13. There was an armed officer in the school...

Or so I read. The killer was in the school for 6 minutes. You know how big American high schools.

Armed people in schools will not make them safer.