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Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 07:18 PM Feb 2018

David Corn: Mueller's Latest Indictment Shows Trump Has Helped Putin Cover Up a Crime

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Mueller’s Latest Indictment Shows Trump Has Helped Putin Cover Up a Crime
By continuing to cast doubt on Russian involvement, the president is helping the Kremlin get away with its election attack.

David Corn Feb. 16, 2018 4:15 PM

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2018/02/muellers-latest-indictment-shows-trump-has-helped-putin-cover-up-a-crime/



People forgot. Special counsel Robert Mueller was not only focused on investigating interactions between Trump world and the Russians; he was tasked with digging into Vladimir Putin’s attack on the 2016 election. And on Friday afternoon, he announced the indictment of 13 Russian nationals for interfering with the presidential campaign. The indictment focused on the Internet Research Agency, a Kremlin-linked outfit based in St. Petersburg, where hundreds of trolls were paid to disseminate false information and propaganda on American social media to influence the election. The document noted that IRA trolls “posted derogatory information about a number of candidates” and its “operations included supporting the presidential campaign of then-candidate Donald J. Trump…and disparaging Clinton.”

Here is yet more proof, not that any was needed, that Russia meddled in the election to benefit Trump—and that Trump’s continued denial or downplaying of Putin’s intervention is nothing but bunk. The indictment is a reminder that Trump won a tainted election, in which he was assisted by Russian skullduggery—and that he has refused to come to terms with that.

This indictment only covers one part of the information warfare unleashed by Russia against American democracy two years ago. Roughly speaking, Moscow’s attack had three components: the social media assault, the hack-and-dump operation targeting Democrats, and the penetration of state voting systems. Each had the potential to undermine the election and cause discord or even chaos. The social media attack went largely unnoticed during the campaign, as Russian trolls and bots infiltrated Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, YouTube, and other platforms to spread and amplify messages designed to fuel political divisions within the United States and, in many instances, to boost Trump. They bought ads on Facebook that assailed Clinton. They set up fake Facebook pages that organized and promoted real-life pro-Trump or anti-Clinton rallies in the United States. Facebook and Twitter only grudgingly acknowledged last year that they had been exploited by Russia’s cyber operatives, whose work complemented the social media efforts of the Trump campaign. And the Internet Research Agency, the target of Mueller’s indictment, was a center of this clandestine online activity.

The other two cyber battlefronts were recognized during the campaign. Hackers associated with Russian intelligence agencies swiped emails and documents from Democrats—most notably, the Democratic National Committee, the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, and John Podesta, the CEO of Hillary Clinton’s campaign—and the material was released via WikiLeaks and other websites. This operation, the US intelligence community concluded, was mounted by Moscow and designed to foment disorder and to help Trump. At the same time, Russia-connected hackers in the summer of 2016 probed the election systems of many states, in limited cases swiping data. This action was detected, and US officials became concerned that Moscow might try to screw with the voting or tallying process on Election Day. The concern was not so much that Russia would alter results to help Trump or any other favored candidate but that Putin’s spooks would cause problems—say, messing with voter registration data bases—that would prompt questions about the accuracy of the vote count and trigger political upheaval no matter which candidate won. This was deemed such a serious worry that President Barack Obama directly told Putin to knock it off.
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David Corn: Mueller's Latest Indictment Shows Trump Has Helped Putin Cover Up a Crime (Original Post) Miles Archer Feb 2018 OP
Trolls WestIndianArchie Feb 2018 #1
But but but but he talked to STEELE, didnt he? Gabi Hayes Feb 2018 #2
But but but he's stoopid and incompetent, not colluding! Just an "unwitting" tool! flibbitygiblets Feb 2018 #3
Corn know doubt has a story Wellstone ruled Feb 2018 #4
Your picture of trump rock Feb 2018 #5
Exciting as it SOUNDS, I'm having trouble understanding what exactly is the CRIME? mr_lebowski Feb 2018 #6
No, that isn't the charge getagrip_already Feb 2018 #7
I'm sure this is a small, early step .. leading to something much bigger FakeNoose Feb 2018 #9
link? dweller Feb 2018 #8
The GOP would have been fine with losing the cold war as long as they could have made Farmer-Rick Feb 2018 #10
Of course nobody believes that ANYBODY could alter the vote. stevepal Feb 2018 #11

WestIndianArchie

(386 posts)
1. Trolls
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 07:21 PM
Feb 2018

The trolls that disseminated this fake news should be arrested and charged as well, witting or unwitting makes no difference

flibbitygiblets

(7,220 posts)
3. But but but he's stoopid and incompetent, not colluding! Just an "unwitting" tool!
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 07:33 PM
Feb 2018

Whenever he gets caught doing something horrific, it's just because he's new at this presidenting thing!

rock

(13,218 posts)
5. Your picture of trump
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 07:39 PM
Feb 2018

Shows that when he sweats you can see how thin his hair is and see his scalp (his hair goes limp and stringy). He really should have gone for a wig a long time ago.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
6. Exciting as it SOUNDS, I'm having trouble understanding what exactly is the CRIME?
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 08:51 PM
Feb 2018

'Indicted for Interference in Presidential Campaign'?

Is that an actual Statute that's written down somewhere?

If not, what's the real/actual CHARGE? Spreading propaganda to help/hurt POTUS candidates is not AFAIK, technically 'illegal' is it? Or is it illegal simply by virtue of their being 'foreign actors'?

Would've REALLY liked to see some serious like, illegal hacking, laundering, wire fraud, tax evasion, illegal donations/campaign finance violation charges ... hopefully that'll happen to some Americans (coughtrumpcough)

When I read 13 Russians INDICTED ... I thought some Russians were actually going to go to jail for some semblance of a serious crime. At worst these people won't be allowed into the USA and maybe have funds frozen. They won't, like, not be able to leave Russia without CIA/Interpol looking for 'em to arrest them or some shit.

If it's just 'foreign interference in elections' this is like ... small potatoes. Though at least it's probably a 'set up' for much more serious charges upon US actors.

getagrip_already

(14,816 posts)
7. No, that isn't the charge
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 09:15 PM
Feb 2018

It was something along the lines of conspiracy to defraud the USA. And yes, defrauding is a felony.

FakeNoose

(32,705 posts)
9. I'm sure this is a small, early step .. leading to something much bigger
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 10:04 PM
Feb 2018

There are definitely crimes committed - foreign money contributed to GOP campaigns is a major one. But these indictments aren't about the money yet. I'm willing to wait because I trust that Robert Mueller has a plan for all of this.

Farmer-Rick

(10,197 posts)
10. The GOP would have been fine with losing the cold war as long as they could have made
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 10:19 PM
Feb 2018

A few bucks off of it

 

stevepal

(109 posts)
11. Of course nobody believes that ANYBODY could alter the vote.
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 10:28 PM
Feb 2018

These beautiful machines, completely invulnerable, impenetrable, all-wise.

How could anybody hack or maliciously program such beautiful machines? Who has ever seen anybody do such a thing?

Therefore, the simple solution to the threat (which of course is actually nonexistent) some have said (but wrongly) is merely to rely on hand-counted paper ballots. This would in the long run be far cheaper, of course, than relying on machines to do the highly demanding and confusing process of "addition." But when you have such a beautiful device at the ready, why rely on actual people to do the adding?

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