Just to be clear: the Russians may have tried to hurt Hillary by helping Bernie, but

[chuckstevens]

Bernie Sanders did not in any way coordinate with the Russians!

Some are coming close to making that ugly innuendo about a United States Senator, who they may not like, but is not a disloyal American like the Trump crime family.

[bettyellen]

1. I think Devine is the concern.

[DURHAM D]

3. This .

[R B Garr]

20. Yes. nt

[Ken Burch]

21. Ok...than focus on Devine.

He should be the only target.

It shouldn't be used to delegitimize the issues the Sanders campaign championed and that its successor movement continues to work for. None of that is discredited.

[bettyellen]

23. Where is anyone trying to delegitimize the issues? Have you actually seen that here?

I haven’t seen anyone discuss campaign finance, free college or “the 1%” in ages. Either to praise or to slam them? Show me any discussion!

Where is this happening? It is this like the made up crap you claimed was “Hillary’s platform”?

[TheBlackAdder]

54. Russian efforts also promoted both Bernie to Hillary animosity AND Hillary to Bernie animosity.

.

They were stoking both sides, playing both against each other. It wasn't one way streets.

.

[CentralMass]

2. Thank you.

[oberliner]

4. What about Tad Devine?

He worked for Viktor Yanukovich.

[Demsrule86]

5. Really? Wow, I did not know that.

I wonder if he is facing indictment.

[oberliner]

15. Are you being sarcastic?

I honestly can't tell.

[Demsrule86]

31. No, I hadn't heard that. I usually add a sarcastic tag because as you pointed out can't always...

tell. But there was nothing in the post that. would merit such a thing. I had not heard that about Devine. There will be indictments in the Russian thing. I heard yesterday that even if you inadvertently helped the conspiracy, you can be charged. And I think some did so knowingly. But even if you didn't know, you can be charged. It is not inconceivable that some you would not expect to could face charges.

[oberliner]

32. Got it - thanks

I just wasn't sure if you were implying that everyone knows that about Devine. Thanks for clarifying!

I do wonder what, if anything, will happen with Devine.

[Demsrule86]

33. I never heard anything about Devine. I have to say...if true...shocking.

I wonder what will happen also.

[Jim Lane]

49. He worked for a lot of foreign clients. That's not a basis for an indictment.

From his Wikipedia bio (but with the caveat that the "citation needed" tag has been there since 2013 so this passage doesn't fully meet Wikipedia standards):

Internationally, Devine has worked as a strategist and media consultant for the winning campaigns of Colombian President Andres Pastrana in 1998, Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak in 1999, Peruvian President Alejandro Toledo in 2001, Bolivian President Gonzalo Sanchez de Lozada in 2002, Irish Taoiseach Bertie Ahern in 1997, 2002 and 2007, Honduran President Mel Zelaya in 2005, and Ukrainian Prime Minister Viktor Yanukovich and the Party of Regions in 2006. He worked again with Yanukovich in 2009 and 2010 for his successful Presidential bid. He served as a strategist and media consultant for Ashraf Ghani's 2009 presidential campaign in Afghanistan.[citation needed]

Michael Flynn was working as a foreign agent, and registered under the Foreign Agents Registration Act. He registered in 2017 for work he had done in 2016, which I assume is a violation. Paul Manafort also attempted a retroactive FARA registration, and his indictment is based in part on FARA.

If Devine registered properly, however, then he can't be indicted just because he worked for foreigners, even odious foreigners. I don't know if he did register, but, given that his international work dates back 20 years, my guess is that at some point he got around to it.

[pnwmom]

50. True. But the Steele dossier, which so far has largely borne out, refers to moles among Democrats.

So I wonder if Devine is one of them.

[chuckstevens]

6. I don't know, but Bernie Sanders is not Tad Devine!

I took almost a year off of DU and the same people are using this to stir up the same fights that I got so tired of.

[oberliner]

16. That is true

I like Bernie Sanders a lot - I don't think he had anything to do with any collusion with the Russians.

Tad Devine - who knows.

[Demsrule86]

34. So you came back from who knows where to share this with us...gee thanks.

[meadowlander]

55. You are being part of the problem here.

We're all democrats. We can be civil to each other.

Making us paranoid so we lash out at people who would otherwise be our allies is what the Russians are trying to accomplish and your post is a perfect example of it.

I left DU for almost a year too because I was sick of being called a Bernie-bot just because I support a progressive candidate. I voted for Clinton, but I'm not going to stick around and be insulted for thinking we could have put up a better candidate.

More than anything I didn't like about Clinton, what I resented was being told "You must like Clinton and if you don't you're sexist/brainwashed/trolling/ignorant/or now a Russian plant." That's no way to build a coalition that can defeat Trump.

And before you snipe at me for my low post count, I've been here since 2001. My account was deleted in the election night hack. You don't know that the person you're responding to isn't in the same situation.

Why not take a breath and at least try to give people the benefit of the doubt so you can have an actual conversation with them? Isn't that why we're all really here?

[herding cats]

13. Personally, I think there is reason to suspect him of nefarious actions.

Which doesn’t mean he did anything, but he smells a lot like several people in Trump’s campaign. I’ll wait and see, but I won’t be shocked if he gets caught up in Mueller’s net.

Bernie isn’t suspected of collusion that I’ve ever heard. I’d be extremely shocked if he were personally involved.

[Cha]

25. Ari Melber: "Just as I reported re Trump, that is a remarkable omission."..

Link to tweet

[herding cats]

45. Bernie needs to get ahead of this if he plans on running 2020.

Maybe the fact that he’s not bothering to address it is a sign he’s not planning to run? Which would be fine by me. I’ve already stated there is no support from me this next cycle for a Bernie run. I learned my lesson on that front in the 2016 cycle.

[Cha]

47. Unlike Ari Melber.. I am

not surprised he's ignoring it.

But, I'm glad Melber is tweeting and pointing it out.

Word will get out whether BS ignores it or not.

Good Morning, herding cats

[Demsrule86]

35. I would be as the brits say gobsmacked. I just don't believe it.

[herding cats]

46. Do you mean about Devine?

I don’t think he did anything either, but his work with Manafort and Yanukovych does put him in a difficult position.

Like I said, I’m reserving judgment, but I won’t be gobsmacked if he gets caught up to some degree in this investigation.

[Ken Burch]

22. Ok, than it's enough to go after him.

n/t.

[Igel]

7. I've heard people try to claim two contradictory things.

That this indictment proves collusion, but that the same language concerning Sanders is meaningless.

Ugly innuendo is the stock in trade of partisan politics. Best to discount it as landscape.

It's also best not to fall for that untenable dichotomy, and wait for any indictment that actually makes the allegation that people seem to depend on innuendo to confirm.

[poboy2]

8. The man constantly poo-poo'd the hyped up email absurdity.

He defended her.

[WhiteTara]

39. He did once, not constantly

He also said she was unqualified and had other nasty things to say about our candidate.

[poboy2]

48. This is not correct, it was every time he was asked

about it (which was often, the entire campaign), and even did the 'sick of hearing about the damn emails' thing.
But since you will not acknowledge that reality, this reply is a waste of time.

[Jim Lane]

51. You're right on two counts.

First, Bernie dismissed the phony email issue more than once. (You could have added that, even more tellingly, he didn't run attack ads mentioning the issue, which some of his supporters wanted him to do.)

Second, you're also correct that pointing out such facts is largely a waste of time.

[OilemFirchen]

9. Facts not in evidence.

Be careful making declarative statements, especially while hectoring others for "coming close" to doing the same.

[chuckstevens]

10. Are you saying Bernie Sanders activity worked with Russia?

[OilemFirchen]

11. No.

You're saying he absolutely didn't.

[chuckstevens]

14. Bernie said her emails were a non-issue and campaigned for her on the general election

Yes, I am saying he did not work with Russia!

[WhiteTara]

40. No he didn't campaign for her in the general

he did some rallies and had a few bad things to say about trump, but there was no full throated endorsement.

[DavidDvorkin]

17. Right.

[Joe941]

12. Thank you.

[Willie Pep]

18. Thank you.

We have to remember that Bernie supported Clinton in the general election and caught a lot of flak from "Never Hillary" types on the left for that. Those were the people most susceptible to Russian propaganda. Most of us Bernie supporters voted for Hillary in the general election.

[applegrove]

19. There is no way Bernie would be complicit.

[Cha]

24. Just to be Clear.. There's no "may have tried.." about it..

The Russians did do it.

Link to tweet

[janterry]

26. I think people across the country know this

and - for Bernie's part, I trust that every time he speaks about this, it will be with honesty - and he'll be as concerned as anyone that the Russians interfered.

And he'll say that they should be stopped.

I think the fact that he broke through on the national stage is nothing but a plus for our country - his voice is trusted and sincere.

[WhiteTara]

41. Too bad he voted against sanctions

that makes me wonder.

[janterry]

42. I'm sure you've already read this

but others, perhaps, have not:
https://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/sanders-statement-on-iran-and-russia-sanctions

[WhiteTara]

43. yeah yeah.

[comradebillyboy]

44. Sorry, I don't trust him.

[handmade34]

27. Bernie has been a strong

and good voice for Vermont for years... the Bernie I know would NEVER willingly be complicit with the Russians... that being said, I have been a strong supporter of Hillary since day one, resent that Bernie acted so aggressively against her and I hope like hell he does not attempt to run again!

[Fred Sanders]

29. Another Democratic reverse firing squad based on pure air...I like evidence, not air. There is no

evidence re anything other than massive Trump support and anti-Hillary propaganda by the Russians.

Case Dismissed, with costs!

Next!

[NCTraveler]

30. Ill reserve judgement until Mueller wraps up his investigation...

I doubt Sanders did but I’m not willing to outright dismiss it. Devine and Weaver....

[Demsrule86]

36. I just can't believe Sen. Sanders would do such a thing...and as you know I am not generally a fan.

[NCTraveler]

37. I agree.

I won’t outright dismiss possible knowledge when it comes to Deving or Weaver.

I’ll make no absolute statement. If Sanders caught wind of anything like that I think he would have gone public.

[Demsrule86]

38. I think he would have gone to the FBI. He is a Senator and understands national security...and he

would have gone public.

[pnwmom]

52. The question comes up because he was only 1 of 2 who voted against the Russian sanctions,

and only 1 of 4 who voted against the Magnitsky act (another sanction bill).

[NurseJackie]

53. I'm sure they wouldn't have helped him if they didn't see him as being useful.

I believe that's the correct term. I'll have to check Wikipedia.