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(23,946 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)When I was a kid, we had fire drills and training for nuclear war (Ruskies again). But this is a whole new fear that is much more likely and immediate.
Thoughts and Prayers aren't enough.
OhNo-Really
(3,985 posts)NutmegYankee
(16,201 posts)It's a natural human reaction to seek to protect our face from objects thrown at it, and the shooter will have to stop firing/aiming to do that. This gives time to attempt to flee or to tackle the shooter. This is normally taught for workplace training and not kindergartners.
Motley13
(3,867 posts)TNNurse
(6,929 posts)He knew fire drills and weather drills and last mentioned lockdown drills. I cried reading it. Glad there was a plan but wish it was not necessary. I am impressed she did not cry while he explained it.
logosoco
(3,208 posts)I approached it casually. The 8 year old, and he is very big for his age, got down on the floor to show me how they are supposed to sit. That brought tears to my eyes (that I did not let him see). He looked so small and vulnerable to anyone who would have a gun.
I did tell them we did not have these types of drills when i was in grade school.
getagrip_already
(14,816 posts)advised three levels of response to a shooter in the workplace:
1) Run (the most stressed solution)
2) Hide - has its limits in an open corporate building
3) fight - basically what they are advising above but for kids who don't have a lot of strength or training
In theory, even a shooter with an ar-15 can be overwhelmed if enough people rush them. This works with trained military, but not so much with scared civilians, and less so with children or students.
But the list is designed around the scenario that a shooter is already in your view, and all escape routes are cut off. Sure, the solution is to limit the number of shooters in the first place, but these scenarios cover the last moments of an actual encounter.
It's already too late to stop the shooter from getting a gun, ammo, or radicalization. At that point, it's all strategies of mortality. If you can slow down, injure, or stun an attacker, you have probably saved somebody else. You are dead either way.
In one respect, there weren't enough football coaches in front of the shooter.
Many people with guns are cowards. The gun makes them feel powerful. Once they realize they are vulnerable, they will shit their diapers.
I don't own a gun because I don't need one to defend myself. But, I know what my chances would be in an active shooter situation. Near Zero. So I'd like to think I'd be that football coach, or the first guy to rush the shooter and give other people the idea.
I doubt I'm that brave though.
bluecollar2
(3,622 posts)I remember the "Instructor/expert" asking, "what should you do if someone starts shooting at you at work?"
The first response was, "fire back."
Sad, but true...
BTW...the company had a strict no firearms policy that was routinely ignored.
getagrip_already
(14,816 posts)I work from home. All of my training is remote and almost all the annual ethics and compliance training is done via e-learning.
So I don't work in an office anymore and have no idea if people pack heat at work. My workplace doesn't allow it, although I have two viscous attack cats. One of them is usually parked just above my keyboard and is within easy reach.
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)country these days. No other country has this problem. There is something very wrong here. I fear so much for my nieces and nephews. I can't imagine how powerless parents must feel sending their children to school every day.
Ferrets are Cool
(21,109 posts)backtoblue
(11,344 posts)How fucking barbaric that our kids are learning how to - get murdered slower?!!!????? A change is a comin'...
Our kids are fighting for their goddamned lives!
rickford66
(5,528 posts)Heartstrings
(7,349 posts)To follow what his active shooter school drill advises first. But if in doubt and he hears gunfire, hit the ground, lay still and play dead. When an adult, preferably a police officer or 1st responder asks him if he's ok, respond with "thank you, yes"....
In the wild, some species will use this diversion to try to fool a predator.
Sad that a small human might need to as well....
I've been in active shooter drills and even as an adult, they're terrifying! And chaotic!