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Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
2. Makes sense, but quite sad. It will just get worse if we continue to coddle gun owners.
Sun Feb 18, 2018, 10:15 AM
Feb 2018

When I was a kid, we had fire drills and training for nuclear war (Ruskies again). But this is a whole new fear that is much more likely and immediate.

Thoughts and Prayers aren't enough.

NutmegYankee

(16,201 posts)
4. Actually throwing objects at the shooter will make them protect their face
Sun Feb 18, 2018, 10:19 AM
Feb 2018

It's a natural human reaction to seek to protect our face from objects thrown at it, and the shooter will have to stop firing/aiming to do that. This gives time to attempt to flee or to tackle the shooter. This is normally taught for workplace training and not kindergartners.

TNNurse

(6,929 posts)
7. A friend posted on FB this week about a discussion with her kindergarten son about drills.
Sun Feb 18, 2018, 11:04 AM
Feb 2018

He knew fire drills and weather drills and last mentioned lockdown drills. I cried reading it. Glad there was a plan but wish it was not necessary. I am impressed she did not cry while he explained it.

logosoco

(3,208 posts)
11. I talked with my grandsons, ages 10 and 8 about these drills.
Sun Feb 18, 2018, 11:49 AM
Feb 2018

I approached it casually. The 8 year old, and he is very big for his age, got down on the floor to show me how they are supposed to sit. That brought tears to my eyes (that I did not let him see). He looked so small and vulnerable to anyone who would have a gun.

I did tell them we did not have these types of drills when i was in grade school.

getagrip_already

(14,816 posts)
8. our corporate training module on gun attacks in the workplace...
Sun Feb 18, 2018, 11:25 AM
Feb 2018

advised three levels of response to a shooter in the workplace:

1) Run (the most stressed solution)
2) Hide - has its limits in an open corporate building
3) fight - basically what they are advising above but for kids who don't have a lot of strength or training

In theory, even a shooter with an ar-15 can be overwhelmed if enough people rush them. This works with trained military, but not so much with scared civilians, and less so with children or students.

But the list is designed around the scenario that a shooter is already in your view, and all escape routes are cut off. Sure, the solution is to limit the number of shooters in the first place, but these scenarios cover the last moments of an actual encounter.

It's already too late to stop the shooter from getting a gun, ammo, or radicalization. At that point, it's all strategies of mortality. If you can slow down, injure, or stun an attacker, you have probably saved somebody else. You are dead either way.

In one respect, there weren't enough football coaches in front of the shooter.

Many people with guns are cowards. The gun makes them feel powerful. Once they realize they are vulnerable, they will shit their diapers.

I don't own a gun because I don't need one to defend myself. But, I know what my chances would be in an active shooter situation. Near Zero. So I'd like to think I'd be that football coach, or the first guy to rush the shooter and give other people the idea.

I doubt I'm that brave though.

bluecollar2

(3,622 posts)
10. At a corporate training session on workplace gun violence
Sun Feb 18, 2018, 11:44 AM
Feb 2018

I remember the "Instructor/expert" asking, "what should you do if someone starts shooting at you at work?"

The first response was, "fire back."

Sad, but true...

BTW...the company had a strict no firearms policy that was routinely ignored.

getagrip_already

(14,816 posts)
13. even though I work for a fortune 50, multinational company..
Sun Feb 18, 2018, 12:01 PM
Feb 2018

I work from home. All of my training is remote and almost all the annual ethics and compliance training is done via e-learning.

So I don't work in an office anymore and have no idea if people pack heat at work. My workplace doesn't allow it, although I have two viscous attack cats. One of them is usually parked just above my keyboard and is within easy reach.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
12. It is just heartbreaking that this kind of training has to be the status quo in this
Sun Feb 18, 2018, 11:53 AM
Feb 2018

country these days. No other country has this problem. There is something very wrong here. I fear so much for my nieces and nephews. I can't imagine how powerless parents must feel sending their children to school every day.

backtoblue

(11,344 posts)
15. Oh my god
Sun Feb 18, 2018, 01:12 PM
Feb 2018

How fucking barbaric that our kids are learning how to - get murdered slower?!!!????? A change is a comin'...
Our kids are fighting for their goddamned lives!

Heartstrings

(7,349 posts)
17. I told my 8 year old grandson
Sun Feb 18, 2018, 05:04 PM
Feb 2018

To follow what his active shooter school drill advises first. But if in doubt and he hears gunfire, hit the ground, lay still and play dead. When an adult, preferably a police officer or 1st responder asks him if he's ok, respond with "thank you, yes"....

In the wild, some species will use this diversion to try to fool a predator.

Sad that a small human might need to as well....

I've been in active shooter drills and even as an adult, they're terrifying! And chaotic!

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