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When your children are at home with you, do you keep your doors locked? (Original Post) FarCenter Feb 2018 OP
Most schools are like that, nowadays. bearsfootball516 Feb 2018 #1
My kids' school is always locked, JenniferJuniper Feb 2018 #2
Not if they were playing in the backyard -- that would be locking them out. n/t pnwmom Feb 2018 #3
I am so dismayed.... handmade34 Feb 2018 #4
I grew up on a farm, and we didn't even have keys FarCenter Feb 2018 #7
cameras are a good idea handmade34 Feb 2018 #18
Are you sure a bear can't turn a doorknob? FarCenter Feb 2018 #20
... handmade34 Feb 2018 #22
Lol! MontanaMama Feb 2018 #26
I guess you wouldn't be happy in my world... hunter Feb 2018 #24
Yes and my daughter went to an open format elementary school underpants Feb 2018 #5
I'd rather melt down all the guns than lock my front door. hunter Feb 2018 #6
+1 lunasun Feb 2018 #8
I taught in an elementary school for 38 years and have been retired for 3 years. It was skylucy Feb 2018 #9
They would trap students in a burning building by locking the doors? That makes zero sense to me anneboleyn Feb 2018 #14
The classrooms have doors that lead outside and doors that lead to the hallway. skylucy Feb 2018 #25
people who don't lock their doors Skittles Feb 2018 #10
We kept our screen door locked and the main door open Generic Brad Feb 2018 #11
I went to school in a big city, and we had locked gates and guards at every gate. It still doesnt anneboleyn Feb 2018 #12
you should self-delete maxsolomon Feb 2018 #13
I agree with you honestly anneboleyn Feb 2018 #15
thanks. maxsolomon Feb 2018 #16
THAT SCHOOL appears to not have had locked exterior doors FarCenter Feb 2018 #21
It's not a prison maxsolomon Feb 2018 #30
Suburb, and no.... people in my neighborhood generally dont. lostnfound Feb 2018 #17
Our massive school system has a card key system. kwassa Feb 2018 #19
Our elementary and middle school buildings are locked and Ilsa Feb 2018 #23
When mine were young I wanted them to be able to escape a fire jberryhill Feb 2018 #27
Exit doors should always open from the inside, even when locked FarCenter Feb 2018 #28
No. Maybe I should have. The schools were different... Phentex Feb 2018 #29

bearsfootball516

(6,377 posts)
1. Most schools are like that, nowadays.
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 08:48 PM
Feb 2018

Doors are locked during the day, and to get in, you have to press the intercom button and someone in the main office can see you on a camera and unlocks the door.

JenniferJuniper

(4,512 posts)
2. My kids' school is always locked,
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 08:49 PM
Feb 2018

no metal detectors but you need a pass to get in.

Wouldn't do much for the kids outside at the track, tennis courts, fields, etc. though

handmade34

(22,756 posts)
4. I am so dismayed....
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 08:59 PM
Feb 2018

I hate the direction we have taken... I have never locked my door... but I also live in a rural area...

when I worked at the school nearby, all was very lax- these days all must go through the front office

for me, this is what losing our freedom looks like

 

FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
7. I grew up on a farm, and we didn't even have keys
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 09:10 PM
Feb 2018

But my wife is from a city, and our house has always been locked, even though it is in a pretty safe area. I'm thinking of getting some video cameras though.

handmade34

(22,756 posts)
22. ...
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 10:03 PM
Feb 2018
(the bears cannot turn my knobs and as of yet no random shooters in my yard)

https://www.sevendaysvt.com/vermont/trouble-bruin-vermonters-are-reporting-more-problems-with-bears/Content?oid=7356874

...one of the massive mammals burst through a screen window and ransacked an elderly couple's kitchen — and then tried to repeat the snack-attack on four subsequent nights...



MontanaMama

(23,330 posts)
26. Lol!
Fri Feb 23, 2018, 01:34 AM
Feb 2018

We have cameras for bears and other critters that wander through our yard too. And, to make sure what UPS leaves at my door stays at my door.

hunter

(38,321 posts)
24. I guess you wouldn't be happy in my world...
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 10:55 PM
Feb 2018

... chasing off the kids spray painting gang graffiti on my back wall, etc. We live in one of our city's nicer neighborhoods. We didn't used to. Our old house, the one we lived in when our kids were small, had bullet holes in it, patched over by our landlord who wasn't a competent handyman so he couldn't make them invisible. You could still trace the path of one bullet that went through the front wall and into the back wall of the living room. My kids and I and any other kids who happened to be with us would play on the floor of the back bedroom whenever things were tense and I heard gunfire. 99% or more of the time it wasn't like that, no different than any other neighborhood.

The roughest job I ever had was big urban school science teacher, in a school with lots of problems. I left that. Every week brought a few fresh horrors, some still recurring in my nightmares. The only teachers who survive in that environment are saints and people who build impenetrable walls around their hearts. I couldn't do either.

I grew up in a community that was Ivory Soap 99 44/100 white, with one of the lowest crime rates in the country. My parents landed there because that's where the work was. As artists with day jobs they couldn't be picky. They fled soon after my dad retired. Nevertheless the high school was a Lord of the Flies experience for me, I was called queerbait and beaten regularly, so I quit high school for college, one of the better decisions I've made in my life. Most of my life now I've been a minority white guy. But we white guys still got our privileges here in the U.S.A. wherever we live.

I've also got rural experiences growing up. My great grandmas were all authentic Wild West, wicked with guns and knives. I've got nieces who are accomplished horse women, and I'm not incompetent hunting or fishing, although the hunting doesn't appeal to me.

These damned altruism genes have got me and my wife in a lot of trouble over the years but there's no way in hell I'd ever have traded any it for some stale illusion of safety.

underpants

(182,848 posts)
5. Yes and my daughter went to an open format elementary school
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 09:00 PM
Feb 2018

Evert classroom opened to the outside. Bathrooms were centralized between each 4 classrooms.

hunter

(38,321 posts)
6. I'd rather melt down all the guns than lock my front door.
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 09:04 PM
Feb 2018

And what if I'm out front playing with my kids? With the other neighborhood kids?

We lived in some rougher neighborhoods when our kids were small, but we never chose to live in fear.

I think living in fear is a specialty of the gun fetishists.




skylucy

(3,739 posts)
9. I taught in an elementary school for 38 years and have been retired for 3 years. It was
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 09:15 PM
Feb 2018

just during the last few years of teaching that my principal told me to lock my classroom door (to the hallway) while I was teaching. Our school had pretty massive main hallway doors that would swing closed and automatically lock if the "fire alarm" was triggered.

skylucy

(3,739 posts)
25. The classrooms have doors that lead outside and doors that lead to the hallway.
Fri Feb 23, 2018, 12:37 AM
Feb 2018

Ya know....two doors.

Skittles

(153,169 posts)
10. people who don't lock their doors
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 09:18 PM
Feb 2018

start locking their doors after the local axe murder

I'm in favor of not waiting for that

Generic Brad

(14,275 posts)
11. We kept our screen door locked and the main door open
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 09:18 PM
Feb 2018

It occurs to me now that was no safer than having no door.

anneboleyn

(5,611 posts)
12. I went to school in a big city, and we had locked gates and guards at every gate. It still doesnt
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 09:21 PM
Feb 2018

stop all of these shootings (shootings took place around the school rather than in it), and I don’t really see the analogy here. There is also of course the issue of maintaining safety standards such as for fires or in my state earthquakes and gas leaks when an evacuation needs to happen and happen quickly. Those locked entrances/exits had better be unlocked very quickly and with perfect execution in such circumstances.

maxsolomon

(33,345 posts)
13. you should self-delete
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 09:22 PM
Feb 2018

the murderer kid WENT TO THAT SCHOOL. he knew how to get in. he knew to pull the fire alarm to get them to come out of the classrooms. he shot people THROUGH THE WALLS.

do you know what a classroom security lockset is? that's standard now.

 

FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
21. THAT SCHOOL appears to not have had locked exterior doors
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 09:49 PM
Feb 2018

They had a perimeter fence around the campus and the fence had gates. But 20 minutes prior to the end of classes, the gates were opened so buses could enter and students leaving early could drive their cars out. Pretty shoddy security.

maxsolomon

(33,345 posts)
30. It's not a prison
Fri Feb 23, 2018, 12:46 PM
Feb 2018

It's not a fort.

It's a school. I did not attend a hardened, "secured" school at any point in my life. And I went to school in a ghetto.

You are accepting the NRAs framing and I fundamentally reject it.

lostnfound

(16,187 posts)
17. Suburb, and no.... people in my neighborhood generally dont.
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 09:30 PM
Feb 2018

One day a teacher at the school mentioned locking his front door to go out for a run...and the kids in his junior high class were laughing about it, “who locks their doors?”

But I live in Mayberry / Wonder Years / Truman Show.

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
19. Our massive school system has a card key system.
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 09:43 PM
Feb 2018

All exterior doors are locked after the kids enter schools. Outsiders are admitted later via a computer camera system. Employees have card keys. Roughly 200 schools in the system. 150,000 students.

There are also lockdown drills.

DC suburbs, affluent area, but also the area where the DC sniper was active.

Ilsa

(61,695 posts)
23. Our elementary and middle school buildings are locked and
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 10:06 PM
Feb 2018

Very secure. A resource officer sits at the locked point of entry.

The high schools are less secure, sadly, but security is getting more beefed up every year.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
27. When mine were young I wanted them to be able to escape a fire
Fri Feb 23, 2018, 01:54 AM
Feb 2018

Depending on the age of the children involved, impeding their ability to exit in an emergency is a much greater risk than an intruder.
 

FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
28. Exit doors should always open from the inside, even when locked
Fri Feb 23, 2018, 10:51 AM
Feb 2018

Most key-in-knob locks work that way. I wouldn't used a keyed on the inside deadbolt.

Phentex

(16,334 posts)
29. No. Maybe I should have. The schools were different...
Fri Feb 23, 2018, 11:07 AM
Feb 2018

doors were locked and you had to be buzzed in. I always felt the elementary school principal was paranoid. Had cameras everywhere and ran a tight ship. I felt like the kids were safe though. I was very involved at the high school and always signed in and wore a badge. I never minded when I was stopped by anyone because they should be concerned when a non employee is in the building.

At home I worried more about the boys falling off the swing set and breaking an arm. One look at our house and I think any burglar would pass it up for something more appealing. And we've always had dogs. The two I have now are babies but look and sound ferocious. (Rottweiler mix). The mailman had to be escorted to my door by a neighbor once because he was concerned.

I'm not lackadaisical and take precaution but I'm not paranoid either.

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