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LakeArenal

(28,829 posts)
Fri Feb 23, 2018, 12:30 PM Feb 2018

Madison Parent hand cardboard "gun" to teacher

A Madison man has been arrested and banned from Shorewood Hills Elementary School after he handed a piece of cardboard with “gun” written on it to a teacher Thursday morning........

.....Shorewood Hills Police Chief Aaron Chapin said Jonathan M. Fitzgerald, 35, activated a front door buzzer at the school, 1105 Shorewood Blvd., around 10 a.m., requesting access to the building. When he was allowed in, he walked past the school office where visitors are required to check in, Chapin said.....

...“Fitzgerald made statements to the teacher in the room about being an intruder who was allowed access to the school and gave the teacher a piece of cardboard with the word ‘gun’ on it,” Chapin said......

Read more......

http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/crime/parent-hands-cardboard-with-gun-written-on-it-to-teacher/article_0db5b6b7-76e9-565a-9713-f91940c8874a.html

Now he's arrested? He should be rewarded.

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Madison Parent hand cardboard "gun" to teacher (Original Post) LakeArenal Feb 2018 OP
He should have also written: DemocracyMouse Feb 2018 #1
Yes LakeArenal Feb 2018 #2
So, he was arrested for "disorderly conduct"? Heartstrings Feb 2018 #3
Still, He has a mug shot where there was no mug shot before... LakeArenal Feb 2018 #4
Wonder how this will affect his pursuit of a degree at UW? Nt Heartstrings Feb 2018 #8
Arrested for what? Phoenix61 Feb 2018 #5
Charges Likely Dropped? ProfessorGAC Feb 2018 #6
he won't be prosecuted in my opinion Mosby Feb 2018 #7
probably because THEY don't want ANYBODY to make THEM look bad bluestarone Feb 2018 #10
Terrorize the teacher to make a point? No. That's bullshit. elehhhhna Feb 2018 #9
I had a school board member do that to me after Columbine... Freedomofspeech Feb 2018 #11
My cousin just talked her boss principal out of a secret surprise drill elehhhhna Feb 2018 #13
I agree with you. eom Tipperary Feb 2018 #16
Did someone say "door buzzard"? ProudLib72 Feb 2018 #12
It's the same as a bank teller: That was a threat. Until you know otherwise, it's a threat. lindysalsagal Feb 2018 #14
This. Tipperary Feb 2018 #17
He just "Red Teamed" then and showed their vulnerabilities. NightWatcher Feb 2018 #15

DemocracyMouse

(2,275 posts)
1. He should have also written:
Fri Feb 23, 2018, 12:43 PM
Feb 2018

That was a great and nervy protest. The man's a patriot. But he should have written on the cardboard gun "This would only be a paper gun if real guns were outlawed".

Heartstrings

(7,349 posts)
3. So, he was arrested for "disorderly conduct"?
Fri Feb 23, 2018, 12:51 PM
Feb 2018

Disorderly conduct is basically just a catch all phrase for "we really didn't like what you did".

Only question I have is; if the teacher had been armed, would that be grounds for her to shoot him? Hmmmmmm.........

I say, give this guy a participation medal.....

LakeArenal

(28,829 posts)
4. Still, He has a mug shot where there was no mug shot before...
Fri Feb 23, 2018, 12:57 PM
Feb 2018

He did take a huge chance. Good thing he didn't do it Waukesha or Milwaukee.

I guess a mug shot is better than a coffin...

Phoenix61

(17,006 posts)
5. Arrested for what?
Fri Feb 23, 2018, 12:57 PM
Feb 2018

His child attends school there. He didn't threaten anyone although he certainly showed them how vulnerable they are to the same type of incident that happened in Florida.

bluestarone

(16,991 posts)
10. probably because THEY don't want ANYBODY to make THEM look bad
Fri Feb 23, 2018, 01:06 PM
Feb 2018

total BULLSHIT here! He's pointing out THAT A KILLER CAN ACCESS the school! To me he's out to SAVE LIVES!!!

Freedomofspeech

(4,227 posts)
11. I had a school board member do that to me after Columbine...
Fri Feb 23, 2018, 01:49 PM
Feb 2018

Bolted into my library, all dressed in camo and acting like he was going to hold us all hostage. It was terrifying.

 

elehhhhna

(32,076 posts)
13. My cousin just talked her boss principal out of a secret surprise drill
Fri Feb 23, 2018, 07:59 PM
Feb 2018

In a fucking middle school, this week. Shes the Union whatever and the Principal backed down.

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
12. Did someone say "door buzzard"?
Fri Feb 23, 2018, 01:55 PM
Feb 2018

Time for the prestigious Orange Door Buzzard Award, given only to the most asinine "heroes".

lindysalsagal

(20,708 posts)
14. It's the same as a bank teller: That was a threat. Until you know otherwise, it's a threat.
Fri Feb 23, 2018, 08:18 PM
Feb 2018

It means, "I've got a gun and you're going to do my bidding and/or be my hostage. " No one gets the benefit of the doubt about guns.

The school was right to arrest him.

Schools are far more controlled than the rest of society: You do not enjoy the same breadth of rights inside a school as you do outside. This is for good reasons: Schools hold trusting defenceless innocents.

You can't wear clothing with threatening or violent words or images, you can't wear insulting statements, your person or backpack is far more likely to be searched: Schools are different, and they should be. Hundreds of children are housed in closed, intimate spaces, and there is no freedom to get up and move away: The government is compelling you to be in your room, in your seat, with the other children from your town, and you have no choice.

So-

Rights are not the same, nor should they be. Responsibilities are stiffer and more specific: If a school goes no peanuts, you can't have them. Period. At halloween, masks and plastic weapons are not allowed. Lots of rights are curtailed inside a school.

So, the school was right to involve the police: An adult may have just told someone they have a gun. There are too many vulnerable people there to handle it any other way.



NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
15. He just "Red Teamed" then and showed their vulnerabilities.
Fri Feb 23, 2018, 08:20 PM
Feb 2018

He should be rewarded and the school should get more security conscious and harden up.

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