New charges for Manafort by Mueller just now.

[BigmanPigman]

Nicole Wallace MSNBC just announced it. They are pressuring him to flip big time. Filing charges accusing him of paying European politicians to lobby for Ukraine.
http://www.knoe.com/content/news/Special-counsel-accuses-Paul-Manafort-of-secretly-paying-former-European-politicians-to-lobby-on-behalf-of-Ukraine-474993993.html

[malaise]

1. Oh My!

Get thee to the greatest page - Manafort is heading for prison

[BigmanPigman]

2. Will he flip or wait to get pardoned?

Should we start placing bets?

[malaise]

4. The problem for him is that there will also be state charges as well

He'll flip or head to prison.

[emulatorloo]

29. Manafort is maintaining his innocence and whining about Gates. Link

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210281185

Innocence my ass.

[BigmanPigman]

33. Rachel's show should be 2 hours long tonight!

[emulatorloo]

34. Seth Abramson tweeted something re Manaforts claim of innocence that makes a lot of sense

Link to tweet

?s=20

“Keep in mind Manafort will publicly maintain his innocence right up until the very second he signs a plea deal. He has to do that to get the best possible deal.”

[BigmanPigman]

36. So it seems he'll plead guilty instead of waiting for a pardon?

[emulatorloo]

38. See this thread re Pardons. I dont think a pardon will help him

Plus Trump can’t issue a pardon for State charges, only federal ones

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210281413

[Takket]

37. yeah he is like a free agent baseball player.......

you don't come out and say "i'm signing with team X no matter what they offer!" You wait until you have the best offer possible.

Manafort isn't stupid. He's not going to die in prison to save drumpf's ass. I think something else to consider too is his deal is going to have to include some sort of protection from the US government because putin's cronies will execute him if they get anywhere near him

[PA Democrat]

3. Chances of a tweet storm this weekend..... 100%

[Ilsa]

26. And ivanka is on the other side of the planet.

Of course, I guess that means she will be up at the same time as drump.

[Maven]

5. Manafort's hoping for a pardon.

Problem is, I think that Schneiderman is waiting in the wings with NY state charges.

Not to mention, it's unlikely a pardon from someone involved in the conspiracy (Trump) would hold up in court.

So his choices are: 1) flip, and face the wrath of Trump and the Russian mob, or 2) spend the rest of his life in prison.

He's fucked.

[BigmanPigman]

9. I think three states can nail him if he is pardoned.

NY, VA and I forget the third. He could go this route and drag it out more/longer. I hope he realizes that polonium can't be easily tasted

[IthinkThereforeIAM]

46. Illinois...

... it was in the news this week, some kind of fraud in securing a bank loan/mortgage from a Chicago bank?

[C Moon]

20. "He's fucked." As it should be. Selfish, asshole traitor. What is wrong with those idiots?

I hope the rest of their lives are miserable—until their very last breath.

[IthinkThereforeIAM]

47. Touched by an Ayngel...

... err, I mean Ayn Rand. You know, "all mine and screw everybody else".

[Bernardo de La Paz]

23. A pardon means he has no shield preventing him from testifying against tRump.

So tRump has limited interest in passing out pardons like candy.

[Takket]

39. Pardon??? LOL

I guess Manafort missed what happened to Flynn. Drumpf isn't pardoning anyone for wrongdoing because it would come across as an acknowledgement of the Russia collusion, not to mention Manafort would have to tell the FBI everything he knows. any person that thinks drumpf is willing to accept ANY kind of hit to his credibility, even if it saved another man from life in prison, doesn't know drumpf very well. Drumpf wouldn't pull Manafort off train tracks if there was even the risk of getting some oil on his shoes.

[BigmanPigman]

41. I firmly believe that he would throw Jared under the bus too.

Maybe even his older sons Dumb and Dumber. I am not sure about his little princess though.

[OnDoutside]

6. As a European, I can't wait to find out who our traitors are !

[wishstar]

7. Here is link to AP article:

http://www.knoe.com/content/news/Special-counsel-accuses-Paul-Manafort-of-secretly-paying-former-European-politicians-to-lobby-on-behalf-of-Ukraine-474993993.html

"Special counsel Robert Mueller is accusing President Donald Trump's former campaign chairman of secretly paying former European politicians to lobby on behalf of Ukraine.

The new allegation against Paul Manafort comes in a newly unsealed indictment made public Friday. The indictment followed a guilty plea by Manafort's longtime business associate, Rick Gates.

The indictment accuses Manafort of paying the former politicians, informally known as the "Hapsburg group," to appear to be "independent" analysts when in fact they were paid lobbyists. Some of the covert lobbying took place in the U.S.

The indictment says the group was managed by a former European chancellor. Court papers accuse Manafort of using offshore accounts to pay the group more than 2 million euros."

[BigmanPigman]

12. I'll add that to the post. Thanks!

[Leghorn21]

8. Every day for the last three days there are one or TWO sweet Manafort tidbits in the news!!

LOVIN IT

[Eliot Rosewater]

10. If an Obama or HIllary staffer were so accused, Obama or Hllary would not be safe

on Mars from deplorables hunting them down.

[BigmanPigman]

11. Manafort may not be safe from Putin

and his polonium supply. Is that the poison du jour?

[Eliot Rosewater]

14. He knows it too, and I am certain he wont cooperate and tell the truth for that reason

plus he assumes a pardon is coming.

The remarkable part of all this will be the 50 million Americans who wont care, but if it were a democrat would insist the country stop functioning until justice was done.

[BigmanPigman]

16. I blame over 20 years of Fux Ruse propaganda.

Even if they were taken off the air other RW media outlets would take their place. And if by some miracle they were all eliminated from spewing constant BS it will take a very long time to de-program them from a generation of brainwashing.

[csziggy]

17. Ricin is probably easier to find and harder to detect

What ricin is

Ricin is a poison found naturally in castor beans. If castor beans are chewed and swallowed, the released ricin can cause injury. Ricin can be made from the waste material left over from processing castor beans.
It can be in the form of a powder, a mist, or a pellet, or it can be dissolved in water or weak acid.
It is a stable substance under normal conditions, but can be inactivated by heat above 80 degrees centigrade (176 degrees Fahrenheit).

Where ricin is found and how it is used

Castor beans are processed throughout the world to make castor oil. Ricin is part of the waste “mash” produced when castor oil is made.
Ricin has been used experimentally in medicine to kill cancer cells.

How you could be exposed to ricin

It would take a deliberate act to make ricin and use it to poison people. Unintentional exposure to ricin is highly unlikely, except through the ingestion of castor beans.
If made into a partially purified material or refined into a terrorist or warfare agent, ricin could be used to expose people through the air, food, or water.
In 1978, Georgi Markov, a Bulgarian writer and journalist who was living in London, died after he was attacked by a man with an umbrella. The umbrella had been rigged to inject a poison ricin pellet under Markov’s skin.
In the 1940s the U.S. military experimented with using ricin as a possible warfare agent. In some reports ricin has possibly been used as a warfare agent in the 1980s in Iraq and more recently by terrorist organizations.
Ricin poisoning is not contagious. Ricin-associated illness cannot be spread from person to person through casual contact. However, if you come into contact with someone who has ricin on their body or clothes, you could become exposed to it.
https://emergency.cdc.gov/agent/ricin/facts.asp

[BigmanPigman]

19. It seems ideal...

fairly easy to produce, cheap and an abundant product to start with (beans). I guess you just need a few chemists and presto...

[sarah FAILIN]

21. Mole poison

We have someone in our neighborhood that grows castor beans, but the beans are the only ingredient in mole poison the last time I got it. I need more because the moles are out of hand at my house.

The fact that tis is used as mole poison is pretty ironic.

[BigmanPigman]

22. Perfect!

[csziggy]

27. According to one "Forensic Files" episode, no chemistry needed

Just grind up the seeds and mix with some food or drink.

Here is the case the episode was based on: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debora_Green

[BigmanPigman]

28. That seems almost too easy to obtain

and make. I am surprised more people don't use that system.

[csziggy]

30. What is stupid is buying the seeds

Castor bean plants grow all over the place as ornamentals. As a kid one of our neighbors had them in their yard and the word was out to watch out for the beans. The homeowner always made sure to rake them all up and dispose of them, but if someone in the neighborhood wanted to commit murder, it would have been super easy.

They are attractive plants, though.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ricinus#Toxicity

[FakeNoose]

45. My prediction is that one day he'll just disappear

We'll never know what happened to him and there won't be a body.

Putin has ways of getting rid of any inconvenient person, and Paul Manafort is definitely inconvenient. Hopefully it won't happen until after Mueller gets as much info out of him as he can.

[we can do it]

13. And didn't Manafort insist on Pence for VP?

[BigmanPigman]

15. Do you recall what we already know about Pence?

Read these links...
https://upload.democraticunderground.com/10029892213
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029773455

[dhol82]

42. Wow. Did not see this at the time.

Hope Mueller takes out the whole rotten lot!

[BigmanPigman]

43. I don't know how he keeps track of all the info

and evidence while being so thorough.

[dhol82]

44. He has a really, really good team

and one hell of a spread sheet!

[barbtries]

18. he's going to squeeze him until he pops

or spends the rest of his life in prison.
what putin must have on these people.

[Mr. Ected]

24. Manafort's choice is now between 2 letters: R vs. O

pRison. pOison. What's it gonna be Paulie Boy?

[emulatorloo]

31. Rick Wilson: Manaforts three choices

Link to tweet

“He either gets to die in prison, die from the Russians, or die in his bed in Witness Protection.”

[BigmanPigman]

32. That is JUSTICE for treason!

[dalton99a]

35. +1

[spanone]

25. K&R...

[red dog 1]

40. K&R