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DesertRat

(27,995 posts)
Sat Feb 24, 2018, 10:16 AM Feb 2018

We Need To Talk About Black Lives And Gun Violence After The Florida Shooting

Gun violence is more than mass shootings in schools - it’s the most common cause of death of young men 16-19. Don’t forget the folks who have been beating the drum for other forms of gun violence - if I march for safe schools, I need to march against police violence, and gun deaths in all forms. When I say, never again, I need to mean no mother should cry over her child’s fatal gunshot wound.

By Sarah Ruiz-Grossman
In the week since a gunman killed 17 people at a high school in Parkland, Florida, there has been a national reckoning ― from student-led marches to wall-to-wall media coverage to White House events ― about gun violence and how to stop it.

For some black activists who have long been mobilizing around gun violence, the current wave of public attention and outrage over the issue is welcome. But it also invites the question of why there’s been comparatively little attention and outrage focused on the even more common reality of routine gun homicides in the country, which disproportionately affect communities of color, and specifically black Americans.

Prominent black organizers and public figures have also noted the largely positive public response to the student activists from Parkland ― most of whom are not black and who attended school in a largely white, relatively affluent Florida suburb ― compared to the frequent vilification of young black activists protesting gun violence, particularly police shootings.

{snip}

When black activists have taken to the streets to protest police shootings, members of law enforcement have met them in full riot gear, and at times attacked them with tear gas. By contrast, the largely non-black student activists from Parkland have been invited to a CNN town hall event with lawmakers.

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5a8f1a11e4b00804dfe6a466/amp

And this article:
"Why It Hurts When the World Loves Everyone but Us"
https://www.theroot.com/why-it-hurts-when-the-world-loves-everyone-but-us-1823253675
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We Need To Talk About Black Lives And Gun Violence After The Florida Shooting (Original Post) DesertRat Feb 2018 OP
Wonder why the different treatment? (Rhetorical question) InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2018 #1
This is key: WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2018 #2
IMHO, Another reason for raising the age limit on the purchase of guns Pachamama Feb 2018 #3
"The widely held belief that black people 'deserve it' DesertRat Feb 2018 #5
??? Pachamama Feb 2018 #6
I agree with you and was responding to your comment DesertRat Feb 2018 #8
Understood.... Pachamama Feb 2018 #9
channeling Dana Loesch? handmade34 Feb 2018 #4
It is interesting to note the difference DesertRat Feb 2018 #7
Great post malaise Feb 2018 #10
I'm not sure if this really relates, and maybe I am completely naive... logosoco Feb 2018 #11
Around 80% of gun deaths, once you remove suicide, are drug/gang related Lee-Lee Feb 2018 #15
We need to talk ismnotwasm Feb 2018 #12
You can see it right here in this thread. WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2018 #13
Agreed. This post is a pledge to myself as much as sharing thoughts with others DesertRat Feb 2018 #14
+1000 ismnotwasm Feb 2018 #17
Cool - can we march for harsher sentences of the perpetrators? Especially since such a high jmg257 Feb 2018 #16

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,451 posts)
2. This is key:
Sat Feb 24, 2018, 10:19 AM
Feb 2018
Prominent black organizers and public figures have also noted the largely positive public response to the student activists from Parkland ― most of whom are not black and who attended school in a largely white, relatively affluent Florida suburb ― compared to the frequent vilification of young black activists protesting gun violence, particularly police shootings.

Pachamama

(16,887 posts)
3. IMHO, Another reason for raising the age limit on the purchase of guns
Sat Feb 24, 2018, 10:20 AM
Feb 2018

But isn't it interesting the difference in the way the protesters have been met by law enforcement?

DesertRat

(27,995 posts)
5. "The widely held belief that black people 'deserve it'
Sat Feb 24, 2018, 10:29 AM
Feb 2018
The widely held belief that black people “deserve it” is so pervasive that it doesn’t ever need to be said. It is embodied in every person who suggests that Trayvon Martin shouldn’t have been wearing that hoodie; that Rekia Boyd shouldn’t have been outside her house; that Michael Brown shouldn’t have talked back; that Aiyana Stanley-Jones shouldn’t have been sleeping in her bed; that Tamir Rice shouldn’t have been playing in the park; that Sandra Bland shouldn’t have been driving her car.
https://www.theroot.com/why-it-hurts-when-the-world-loves-everyone-but-us-1823253675

Pachamama

(16,887 posts)
6. ???
Sat Feb 24, 2018, 10:32 AM
Feb 2018

I am not sure I understand your reply....

I suggested that the age limit for gun purchases be raised to 21 because the article talks about the amount of crime amongst the age group....

Nothing to do with color....age....

DesertRat

(27,995 posts)
8. I agree with you and was responding to your comment
Sat Feb 24, 2018, 10:34 AM
Feb 2018

"isn't it interesting the difference in the way the protesters have been met by law enforcement?"

handmade34

(22,758 posts)
4. channeling Dana Loesch?
Sat Feb 24, 2018, 10:27 AM
Feb 2018

it is a needed discussion... but the answer lies in the same reason we started to look at "crack" vs "cocaine"... putting emphasis on "opioid abuse" when it started to increasingly affect white middle class people... why we are now legalizing marijuana because so many middle and upper white people smoke it (oh, and the money)...

we still collectively value white middle class people more than others

logosoco

(3,208 posts)
11. I'm not sure if this really relates, and maybe I am completely naive...
Sat Feb 24, 2018, 10:41 AM
Feb 2018

and I admit most of what i learned I learned from TV shows (Breaking Bad, The Wire) but it seems to me an awful lot of the shootings would stop if we ended the drug war. No more fighting over "territory", no more shooting someone because they may be a snitch.
Think about the fighting that would occur if we outlawed toilet paper or tomatoes.

The drug war has not reduced the use of drugs. People like taking drugs or using alcohol. The best we can do is to have a lot of places where folks who need help getting off drugs can go.

As a pot smoker, I feel some relief now that it is becoming less illegal in this country. I never needed a weapon to defend or cover my use, but I can see how other people have and it has been so needless.

Just my $.02!

 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
15. Around 80% of gun deaths, once you remove suicide, are drug/gang related
Sat Feb 24, 2018, 11:16 AM
Feb 2018

I have long advocated that if your main goal is to eliminate gun deaths it is far more efficient to focus your effort on reducing the base reasons for that violence than by cracking down in guns where 99% of your effort will be focused on people who would have never misused the gun.

And it pays off more. If you have $1,000,000 to try and reduce gun violence in a city and all you do is buy back guns all the roots causes of that violence still exist and it will still manifest itself in other ways.

But if you spend that on programs that will keep people from going down that lifestyle of crime and gang activity you have a better effect. You not only eliminate the gun violence but all another types too. And you improve people’s lives because the programs that work are ones aimed at keeping at risk youth in schools, eliminating poverty, providing economic assistance, etc.

And when you eliminate the incentive for crime in those communities you lessen the chance of negative interaction with police or the criminal justice system.

Attack the causes of violence to eliminate it, not the symptoms or tools.

ismnotwasm

(42,014 posts)
12. We need to talk
Sat Feb 24, 2018, 10:53 AM
Feb 2018

But it’s my impression that most white people still avoid this every discussion chance they get

DesertRat

(27,995 posts)
14. Agreed. This post is a pledge to myself as much as sharing thoughts with others
Sat Feb 24, 2018, 11:10 AM
Feb 2018

I need to keep listening and discussing.

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
16. Cool - can we march for harsher sentences of the perpetrators? Especially since such a high
Sat Feb 24, 2018, 11:22 AM
Feb 2018

percentage (+/-70%?) are repeat offenders?

Shoot they even know who many are in Chicago!

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-chicago-police-violence-strategy-met-20160722-story.html

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