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dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
Tue Feb 27, 2018, 12:21 AM Feb 2018

Oath Keepers, armed with guns, performing unsolicited guard duty outside High school

An armed Oath Keeper began watch outside a Fort Wayne Ind High School Friday.

Mark Cowan, an Army Veteran, was moved to do something following the series of school shootings across the country and threats of violence at schools closer to home.

He found a spot off of school grounds, but close enough to keep an eye on people going in and out of
North Side high school. Armed with a handgun and AR-15, Cowan told NewsChannel 15 he is there to protect the students and ward off anyone who is a threat to their safety.
http://wane.com/2018/02/23/oath-keeper-stands-guard-outside-north-side-high-school/

I's love to know more about his military history, esp. his d/c status.
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Oath Keepers, armed with guns, performing unsolicited guard duty outside High school (Original Post) dixiegrrrrl Feb 2018 OP
Me too. I'm thinking an early out. nt Phoenix61 Feb 2018 #1
How "responsible" are gun owners are when few seem to be able to condemn this kind of nutbaggery? Major Nikon Feb 2018 #2
If I were the principal I'd be calling the police. Initech Feb 2018 #3
Here's one Rambo that went predictably wrong: dixiegrrrrl Feb 2018 #6
What could go wrong, can go wrong. OMFG! ffr Feb 2018 #7
What a fucking dumbass. nt Codeine Feb 2018 #37
+1 ffr Feb 2018 #8
Yes this is seriously scary. Initech Feb 2018 #9
+1, the oath keeper must be white. A non-white person would've been under the jail by now uponit7771 Feb 2018 #16
what is their idea of a threat? spanone Feb 2018 #4
A non-white person walking. n/t dixiegrrrrl Feb 2018 #24
👍🏼 spanone Feb 2018 #39
Perfect. This guy has the power of life and death over every person going in and out enough Feb 2018 #5
Absolutely what the gun lobby wants DBoon Feb 2018 #28
Glad I don't live there. hunter Feb 2018 #10
If I had a kid in that school, I'd yank him out. dixiegrrrrl Feb 2018 #25
Is this it? Gabi Hayes Feb 2018 #11
What a bunch of insane idiots Angry Dragon Feb 2018 #15
They literally love that he's the Antichrist. Dave Starsky Feb 2018 #23
Kushner actually owns the building at 666 Fifth Avenue in NYC. Girard442 Feb 2018 #27
I love your turn of a phrase! woodsprite Feb 2018 #33
If this nut job was outside of my son's school, I would not let him attend. OhioBlue Feb 2018 #12
Me either. CozyMystery Feb 2018 #18
All I know is, if an armed "black nationalist" group had declared the same thing... GReedDiamond Feb 2018 #13
+1 uponit7771 Feb 2018 #17
just a conservative stalker with a gun Angry Dragon Feb 2018 #14
Just what is needed pressbox69 Feb 2018 #19
Cowan has a conviction for misdemeanor battery resulting in bodily injury muriel_volestrangler Feb 2018 #20
Totally figures, doesn't it? n/t dixiegrrrrl Feb 2018 #26
It should be illegal for anyone convicted of a crime of violence to own or possess a firearm DBoon Feb 2018 #29
What if ryan_cats Feb 2018 #21
The 'Oath Keepers' are the new brownshirts. GoneOffShore Feb 2018 #22
You spelled "Oaf" wrong. FSogol Feb 2018 #30
And also Queefer n/t Orange Free State Feb 2018 #31
He's a vet who could have ptsd. Lint Head Feb 2018 #32
Attention seekers...impotent, open carry loonies...their self-worth is wrapped-up in firearms nt Cognitive_Resonance Feb 2018 #34
I wouldn't let my kid anywhere near that school. Iggo Feb 2018 #35
So Indiana must be an open carry state rurallib Feb 2018 #36
He reminds me a little of John Malkovich's character in RED jmowreader Feb 2018 #38
They are calling Emma Gonzalez and Hogg the enemy, and communists. pangaia Feb 2018 #40

Initech

(100,104 posts)
3. If I were the principal I'd be calling the police.
Tue Feb 27, 2018, 12:31 AM
Feb 2018

Get these wannabe Rambo fuckers as far away from schools as possible!

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
6. Here's one Rambo that went predictably wrong:
Tue Feb 27, 2018, 12:52 AM
Feb 2018
Last Saturday night some poor guy was being carjacked in North Houston.

Along comes a citizen hero gun toting fool who is gonna save the day..

He promptly shoots the victim in the head.
The two carjackers take off in the car leaving the victim on the ground bleeding.
And the shooter, picked up his shell casings and fled the scene.

https://www.rawstory.com/2015/09/texas-good-guy-with-a-gun-shoots-carjacking-victim-in-head-then-runs-away/

ffr

(22,672 posts)
8. +1
Tue Feb 27, 2018, 01:14 AM
Feb 2018

And what about the day after and the next and so on? Are these Rambo wannabies going to do this every school day or just select days of their choosing?

Call their behavior ignorant is being too kind.

enough

(13,262 posts)
5. Perfect. This guy has the power of life and death over every person going in and out
Tue Feb 27, 2018, 12:45 AM
Feb 2018

of the school. This is "gun rights" in action. And in our counrty right now, anyone can set up almost anywhere they want and assume the same power over anyone walking by.

In a way it's a great demonstration of exactly what the gun lobby wants. The question is, is this what the majority of our citizens want? What's to keep the next mass murderer from setting up exactly like this and waiting for the moment when everyone comes pouring out of school at the end of the day?

DBoon

(22,397 posts)
28. Absolutely what the gun lobby wants
Tue Feb 27, 2018, 04:06 PM
Feb 2018

There is no authority they respect other than someone carrying the most powerful possible firearm.

hunter

(38,328 posts)
10. Glad I don't live there.
Tue Feb 27, 2018, 01:33 AM
Feb 2018

That guy would get a free ride in a police car here, if he put the guns down slowly. That bullshit is against the law.

We had a neighbor who carried a gun into a fast food place for unknown reasons, the police were called, and they shot him to death. It may have been a suicide by cop, they couldn't ask him. Not nice for the cop. Not nice for the guy's family.

This guy outside the school is EXACTLY the sort of fool who shouldn't have a gun.

If he was a relative of mine he wouldn't. If I had a kid in that school he wouldn't.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
25. If I had a kid in that school, I'd yank him out.
Tue Feb 27, 2018, 03:50 PM
Feb 2018

Would be nice if parents joined together to do that. Rambo's ass would be gone in a nano-second.
Money talks.

Dave Starsky

(5,914 posts)
23. They literally love that he's the Antichrist.
Tue Feb 27, 2018, 09:37 AM
Feb 2018

If he told them to brand themselves with "666" to distinguish themselves from the liberals, they'd burn it into their foreheads with lit cigarettes.

Girard442

(6,085 posts)
27. Kushner actually owns the building at 666 Fifth Avenue in NYC.
Tue Feb 27, 2018, 03:55 PM
Feb 2018

Somehow, Pat Robertson and Franklin Graham failed to notice that. If Soros owned it, they'd be ejaculating ecclesiastical outrage onto the ceiling.

OhioBlue

(5,126 posts)
12. If this nut job was outside of my son's school, I would not let him attend.
Tue Feb 27, 2018, 01:43 AM
Feb 2018

Here is the problem with the NRA type's argument about a "good guy" with a gun IMO - 1. How do we know they are a good guy? 2. By the NRA's definition, how many "bad guys" were actually "good guys" at the time they purchased their guns and ammo? 3. How do we know these NRA labeled or self labeled "good guys" are actually competent, skilled and of the right temperament to address any type of lock-down situation in a school? 4. I really don't want my kid going to some militarized encampment for education. That is a devolution of our society!

GReedDiamond

(5,316 posts)
13. All I know is, if an armed "black nationalist" group had declared the same thing...
Tue Feb 27, 2018, 01:46 AM
Feb 2018

...such as a contemporary version of the Black Panthers - that they were going to station "watchers" outside of schools...or ANY PUBLIC PLACE... they would be forced to stand down by local law enforcement, if not worse.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,366 posts)
20. Cowan has a conviction for misdemeanor battery resulting in bodily injury
Tue Feb 27, 2018, 07:47 AM
Feb 2018
Fort Wayne's NBC has learned that Cowan has been convicted of misdemeanor battery resulting in bodily injury.
...
Fort Wayne's NBC reached out to Cowan for an on-camera interview. He declined but did talk to our team over the phone.

Cowan says he was protecting his family and says the man he hit had already hit one of his grandsons and was about to hit the other.

A misdemeanor battery conviction does not prevent him from carrying a firearm.

http://www.fortwaynesnbc.com/story/37578639/armed-oath-keeper-stands-watch-at-north-side-high-school?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook_Fort_Wayne_s_NBC

So, yeah, he claims he was protecting his family, but he was convicted, which implies it was proven otherwise beyond reasonable doubt. He's not a monster, but he can be violent, and he has bad judgement. This is not a man you want hanging around with a firearm, without training, thinking he needs to control other people. He's a tragedy waiting to happen.

DBoon

(22,397 posts)
29. It should be illegal for anyone convicted of a crime of violence to own or possess a firearm
Tue Feb 27, 2018, 04:09 PM
Feb 2018

period. Even a misdemeanor.

ryan_cats

(2,061 posts)
21. What if
Tue Feb 27, 2018, 09:20 AM
Feb 2018

What if the student is non white or non binary or gay? Will they protect them?

Somehow I see another George Zimmerman here.

rurallib

(62,448 posts)
36. So Indiana must be an open carry state
Tue Feb 27, 2018, 06:01 PM
Feb 2018

and some crazy fucker can stand just off school grounds with a loaded gun and no one can do anything to him?
That is some good fucking public policy you got there, Indiana!

Look what the NRA bought mommy - chickenshit politicians who made it possible for a crazy man with a gun to stand outside your kid's school.

FUCKING BRILLIANT!

jmowreader

(50,562 posts)
38. He reminds me a little of John Malkovich's character in RED
Tue Feb 27, 2018, 06:23 PM
Feb 2018

Apparently the active shooters in Fort Wayne are supposed to know to enter the school on the same side he's on, and only bring guns he can see in with them.

Not only is this guy sitting out there with his rifle scaring the shit out of people for no good reason, he's not likely to be too effective. His position is pretty close to the maximum effective range of an AR-15 anyway.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
40. They are calling Emma Gonzalez and Hogg the enemy, and communists.
Wed Feb 28, 2018, 11:43 PM
Feb 2018

From TPM--

Codrea, a writer for the Oath Keepers and War on Guns blogs, also said that Gonzalez’s father is a “refugee from Castro’s Cuba,” and lamented that the National Rifle’s Association 595,000 Twitter followers paled in comparison to the one million that follow “this young Communist girl.”

Oath Keepers founder Stewart Rhodes, who hosted the webinar, suggested that law enforcement may have deliberately ignored multiple tips about the shooter, Nikolas Cruz, in order to allow a massacre that could pave the way for gun control.

“It was a conspiracy to intentionally leave our children exposed to mass murder,” Rhodes said.


Fuck these shits with a barbed wire stick...
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