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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsOath Keepers, armed with guns, performing unsolicited guard duty outside High school
Mark Cowan, an Army Veteran, was moved to do something following the series of school shootings across the country and threats of violence at schools closer to home.
He found a spot off of school grounds, but close enough to keep an eye on people going in and out of
North Side high school. Armed with a handgun and AR-15, Cowan told NewsChannel 15 he is there to protect the students and ward off anyone who is a threat to their safety.
I's love to know more about his military history, esp. his d/c status.
Phoenix61
(17,019 posts)Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)Initech
(100,104 posts)Get these wannabe Rambo fuckers as far away from schools as possible!
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)Along comes a citizen hero gun toting fool who is gonna save the day..
He promptly shoots the victim in the head.
The two carjackers take off in the car leaving the victim on the ground bleeding.
And the shooter, picked up his shell casings and fled the scene.
https://www.rawstory.com/2015/09/texas-good-guy-with-a-gun-shoots-carjacking-victim-in-head-then-runs-away/
ffr
(22,672 posts)Codeine
(25,586 posts)And what about the day after and the next and so on? Are these Rambo wannabies going to do this every school day or just select days of their choosing?
Call their behavior ignorant is being too kind.
Initech
(100,104 posts)Who are they to get the right to do this?
uponit7771
(90,364 posts)spanone
(135,880 posts)dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)enough
(13,262 posts)of the school. This is "gun rights" in action. And in our counrty right now, anyone can set up almost anywhere they want and assume the same power over anyone walking by.
In a way it's a great demonstration of exactly what the gun lobby wants. The question is, is this what the majority of our citizens want? What's to keep the next mass murderer from setting up exactly like this and waiting for the moment when everyone comes pouring out of school at the end of the day?
DBoon
(22,397 posts)There is no authority they respect other than someone carrying the most powerful possible firearm.
hunter
(38,328 posts)That guy would get a free ride in a police car here, if he put the guns down slowly. That bullshit is against the law.
We had a neighbor who carried a gun into a fast food place for unknown reasons, the police were called, and they shot him to death. It may have been a suicide by cop, they couldn't ask him. Not nice for the cop. Not nice for the guy's family.
This guy outside the school is EXACTLY the sort of fool who shouldn't have a gun.
If he was a relative of mine he wouldn't. If I had a kid in that school he wouldn't.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)Would be nice if parents joined together to do that. Rambo's ass would be gone in a nano-second.
Money talks.
Gabi Hayes
(28,795 posts)Computer says.......
Yes!?!?!?
Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)Dave Starsky
(5,914 posts)If he told them to brand themselves with "666" to distinguish themselves from the liberals, they'd burn it into their foreheads with lit cigarettes.
Girard442
(6,085 posts)Somehow, Pat Robertson and Franklin Graham failed to notice that. If Soros owned it, they'd be ejaculating ecclesiastical outrage onto the ceiling.
woodsprite
(11,927 posts)OhioBlue
(5,126 posts)Here is the problem with the NRA type's argument about a "good guy" with a gun IMO - 1. How do we know they are a good guy? 2. By the NRA's definition, how many "bad guys" were actually "good guys" at the time they purchased their guns and ammo? 3. How do we know these NRA labeled or self labeled "good guys" are actually competent, skilled and of the right temperament to address any type of lock-down situation in a school? 4. I really don't want my kid going to some militarized encampment for education. That is a devolution of our society!
CozyMystery
(652 posts)GReedDiamond
(5,316 posts)...such as a contemporary version of the Black Panthers - that they were going to station "watchers" outside of schools...or ANY PUBLIC PLACE... they would be forced to stand down by local law enforcement, if not worse.
uponit7771
(90,364 posts)Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)and he can not legally stop anyone
pressbox69
(2,252 posts)hubris inflated gun nuts all locked and loaded.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,366 posts)...
Fort Wayne's NBC reached out to Cowan for an on-camera interview. He declined but did talk to our team over the phone.
Cowan says he was protecting his family and says the man he hit had already hit one of his grandsons and was about to hit the other.
A misdemeanor battery conviction does not prevent him from carrying a firearm.
http://www.fortwaynesnbc.com/story/37578639/armed-oath-keeper-stands-watch-at-north-side-high-school?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook_Fort_Wayne_s_NBC
So, yeah, he claims he was protecting his family, but he was convicted, which implies it was proven otherwise beyond reasonable doubt. He's not a monster, but he can be violent, and he has bad judgement. This is not a man you want hanging around with a firearm, without training, thinking he needs to control other people. He's a tragedy waiting to happen.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)DBoon
(22,397 posts)period. Even a misdemeanor.
ryan_cats
(2,061 posts)What if the student is non white or non binary or gay? Will they protect them?
Somehow I see another George Zimmerman here.
GoneOffShore
(17,341 posts)FSogol
(45,529 posts)Orange Free State
(611 posts)Lint Head
(15,064 posts)Cognitive_Resonance
(1,546 posts)Iggo
(47,568 posts)rurallib
(62,448 posts)and some crazy fucker can stand just off school grounds with a loaded gun and no one can do anything to him?
That is some good fucking public policy you got there, Indiana!
Look what the NRA bought mommy - chickenshit politicians who made it possible for a crazy man with a gun to stand outside your kid's school.
FUCKING BRILLIANT!
jmowreader
(50,562 posts)Apparently the active shooters in Fort Wayne are supposed to know to enter the school on the same side he's on, and only bring guns he can see in with them.
Not only is this guy sitting out there with his rifle scaring the shit out of people for no good reason, he's not likely to be too effective. His position is pretty close to the maximum effective range of an AR-15 anyway.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)From TPM--
Oath Keepers founder Stewart Rhodes, who hosted the webinar, suggested that law enforcement may have deliberately ignored multiple tips about the shooter, Nikolas Cruz, in order to allow a massacre that could pave the way for gun control.
It was a conspiracy to intentionally leave our children exposed to mass murder, Rhodes said.
Fuck these shits with a barbed wire stick...