A YAHOO explanation of what happened...

[pangaia]

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Sometimes somebody in the comments on YAHOO hits the nail on the head..

Or at least pretty darn close.... well... so far....

In response to an article about Kush getting the shaft, as it were..

Trump and Jared needed money. No legitimate bank would loan them a penny. They went to Russia begging. Russia 🇷🇺 contacted Deutsche Bank and expressed a willingness to guarantee the loans that Trump and Kushner were looking for. Russia demanded that Trump conspire with it to elect him POTUS thereby insuring relief from US sanctions. Trump agreed BIGLY. Deutsche Bank extends credit. Vlad hires trolls to hack various key states. Trump wins election via the Electoral College. Within one month of inauguration, Trump Administration calls for the removal of sanctions against Russia. Any questions?

[Iggo]

1. Wanna keep this somewhere where I can easily find it. Thank you!

"Trump and Jared needed money. No legitimate bank would loan them a penny. They went to Russia begging. Russia contacted Deutsche Bank and expressed a willingness to guarantee the loans that Trump and Kushner were looking for. Russia demanded that Trump conspire with it to elect him POTUS thereby insuring relief from US sanctions. Trump agreed BIGLY. Deutsche Bank extends credit. Vlad hires trolls to hack various key states. Trump wins election via the Electoral College. Within one month of inauguration, Trump Administration calls for the removal of sanctions against Russia. Any questions?"

[pangaia]

7. Spread it far and wide...

[stopwastingmymoney]

62. There were other sanctions in place before those

Read up on Exxon, Tillerson and Russia's state oil company (Rosneft?)

[ancianita]

66. Deutsche isn't legitimate, either, since it's been repeatedly caught laundering for Muscovites.

[smirkymonkey]

2. Sounds about right.

[brush]

39. Yep, billions, maybe even trillions, in Russian oil was being held up by the Obama sanctions.

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Putin probably even dangled a piece of that to trump too if he'd go along with stealing the election then lifting the sanctions.

[mr_lebowski]

52. Dangled it in front of Carter Page too cause they knew from the spy ring how keep he was ...

To get into the Rosneft action.

[yardwork]

59. That's why the CEO of Exxon became Secretary of State.

[YessirAtsaFact]

3. For once, it really is that simple

It’s a shame we are so polarized that the Republicans can’t see it or are unwilling to admit it.

The party of hard line cold warriors is ignoring an obvious attack on our democracy

[pangaia]

6. Polarized has nothing to do with it.

it is state/corporate run propaganda, which includes fox tv.,,

And hate radio, and complete and utter ignorance and/or stupidity, and/or bigotry, and/or racism, and/or pure greed, and/or........ in some large percentage of the population.

[YessirAtsaFact]

9. Polarized has everything to do with it

Fox and talk radio exist to exacerbate the polarization, but it’s all my team/your team to a lot of people, especially people who listen to Fox and talk radio all the time.

Polarization makes people defend Trump when he is obviously wrong, because the team has become more important than the truth.

[pangaia]

11. I see what you are saying. You are right.

I was thinking of the polarization differently, - maybe as just, 'well different sides see things differently and so...', . but the term has certainly taken on a new additional meaning, as a tool, at least as I understand it.

Or maybe it always WAS a tool and I just never knew it.


thanks,

[DemocracyMouse]

15. It can be both you know

Read the late artificial inelligence researcher, Marvin Minsky's book, Society of Mind. Multiple strategies which are effective at one time or another are encoded in the mind (and in memes/culture) and well up under different historical circumstances. We who strive for a "more perfect union" must build up an array of counter strategies and respect the diversity of efforts by our well-meaning colleagues. Just sayin'.

[pangaia]

18. "It can be both you know"

yes, I agree..

[YessirAtsaFact]

16. You are welcome

[Texin]

21. It suits their purpose. They don't care about anything else.

They are unconcerned about democracy or the republic. They've got theirs. They want your's too and they're perfectly willing to lie, cheat, steal, defraud and disenfranchise the majority to do it. In their minds' it's Me First.

[erronis]

28. And in their minds, They Deserve It! Worked Really Hard, SMARTER, GREATEST, good genes

Good genes means being born into some wealth or the right skin color, sex, height.

Now the new HUD Secretary Carson - I just don't know. I think he was set up.

[brush]

38. I too wonder what's up with the fuss over Carson's expenditure of 31k for office furniture?

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I mean 31k is 31k but the way repugs splurge on traveling first class, lining their own pockets

whenever they can and funneling billions upwards to their rich sponsors, 31k for office furniture

seems like really small potatoes to make an issue out of.

Who's got it in for Carson?

[pangaia]

40. Who's got it in for Carson?

ME !!!!!!!!!!!

[brush]

43. Explain, pls. Seems like a set up...the one AA in the admin...

when the rest of them are splurging everywhere you look.

And no fan of Carson here. I'm surprised he was away to ok the expenditure.

[pangaia]

47. He is a self-serving, ignorant, mindless piece of shit.

[brush]

48. No argument there, but they all are.

[pangaia]

49. He also believes the vile shit that come out of his mouth.

Check this out-

If you dare.. I got through about 20 seconds, then almost threw up.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/mike-pence-suggests-legal-abortions-103923231.html

[N_E_1 for Tennis]

4. History books may well use that...

as the set-up paragraph for this twisted story.

[stopwastingmymoney]

63. Wins the thread, nt

[malaise]

70. Indeed

It's brilliant

[Wounded Bear]

5. Trump is a wholly owned subsidiary of Putin, Inc...

that has been obvious for quite some time to anybody who has been paying attention or who is not willfully ignorant.

[pangaia]

8. It is really, I am sure. much deeper and complicated than just that..

From a recent OP here on DU--
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/2/27/1745021/--A-Warning-and-History-Lesson


This article in DAILY KOS about Ambassador to Germany William Dodd and a speech he gave in 1933, practically in the face of Hitler. Is a remarkable history lesson.

One paragraph jumps out immediately.

"I had no delusions about Hitler when I was appointed to my post in Berlin, but I had at least hoped to find some decent people around Hitler. I am horrified to discover that the whole gang is nothing but a horde of criminals and cowards"

Plus, American fascists have been slowly, but inexorably working toward just this outcome for decades.

[Raster]

29. Word!

[PoiBoy]

10. I would imagine that somewhere along the line...

...the loan "guarantees" would turn into loan "forgiveness" depending on how much trump would do for Russia...

[pangaia]

12. I wish Honda would 'forgive' my car loan.

But somehow I do not think that is going to happen...

[Orsino]

13. Is this consistent with Trump planning to lose...

...so that he would never have to bother with axing the sanctions? Did he think he was going to get free, or that once he lost, Russia wouldn't care so much about using him as a political pawn?

[mr_lebowski]

53. As long as he made greatest effort possible how could they penalize him?

I mean, the fact that he was purportedly expecting to lose could be a ruse, or it could just be simple fact based on the polling numbers at the time. Either way, not sure how, even if true, it negates the theory in question here.

There may've been a fallback plan where if he lost, he'd snipe and undermine Hillary constantly and lobby publicly for the removal of the 'unfair' sanctions, whining that we could all have lower gas prices if Russia could develop these oil fields they currently cannot, that they'd partner with US-based Exxon, things like that.

[Orsino]

65. I think the whole point of Putin's inference was to install a lazy dilettante in the WH.

I seriously doubt that Trump was privy to that plan, and was run by lower-level Kremlinians.

[Duppers]

14. Nailed it!

Succinct and well done!!

+1000

[spanone]

17. pretty simple.

[titaniumsalute]

19. Basically what I have been saying since last year

It is so cut and dry and obvious.

Now add in the Republican congress...I think some of the main players (Speaker, Maj Leader) are also in bed. Trump has basically said to them "If we stick together we can pass all the shit that our base (mouth-breathers) and our financial base (the billionaires) want us to pass. If we stick together then we can try to be re-elected. So back me up no matter what."

[lindysalsagal]

24. Most of the gop leadership took russian oligarch dirty money.

Ryan, mcconnell, mccain...

[yardwork]

60. I agree. The whole GOP got Russian money. Don't forget the NRA.

An international crime ring took over the US.

[lunatica]

20. I truly appreciate this explanation!

It's all put out there in such a complicated way that it isn't always clear. I like that I don't have to wait for the movie to come out to understand this very simple connection.

[pangaia]

25. The movie. :)))))

And there WILL be one..

but not until we get rid of the fascists.. which may be a while

[lunatica]

58. Well one good thing about Hollywood is

Hollywood doesn't git a crap about fascists! Somewhere they're already laying the foundation for such a movie.

[lindysalsagal]

22. Bush 2.0 only sold our military to the saudis. 45 sold our

Foreign policy, are environment, our ecomony, our infrastructure, our healthcare, and then threw in nato as a bonus.

[Justice]

23. It is what we all have known for some time now. It's not complicated. It's not hard

[pangaia]

26. I was so surprised to see it in a yahoo comment...

sometimes I read the yahoo when having coffee.. but it never lasts long.

[ffr]

27. Quid-pro-quo

The one who smelt it, dealt it. The Red Herring. tRump was out first saying Hillary was quid-pro-quo with whomever, it doesn't matter. And the M$M still hasn't caught onto the fact that it was Russia's quid-pro-quo with tRump.

[BumRushDaShow]

30. The other addition that was missing from the statement but supports it

happened during the RNC convention when the party platform on Ukraine was changed.

Trump campaign guts GOP’s anti-Russia stance on Ukraine

By Josh Rogin July 18, 2016

The Trump campaign worked behind the scenes last week to make sure the new Republican platform won’t call for giving weapons to Ukraine to fight Russian and rebel forces, contradicting the view of almost all Republican foreign policy leaders in Washington.

<...>

On the sideline, Denman tried to persuade the Trump staffers not to change the language, but failed. “I was troubled when they put aside my amendment and then watered it down,” Denman told me. “I said, ‘What is your problem with a country that wants to remain free?’ It seems like a simple thing.”

Finally, Trump staffers wrote an amendment to Denman’s amendment that stripped out the platform’s call for “providing lethal defensive weapons” and replaced it with softer language calling for “appropriate assistance.”

That amendment was voted on and passed. When the Republican Party releases its platform Monday, the official Republican party position on arms for Ukraine will be at odds with almost all the party’s national security leaders.

<...>

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/trump-campaign-guts-gops-anti-russia-stance-on-ukraine/2016/07/18/98adb3b0-4cf3-11e6-a7d8-13d06b37f256_story.html?utm_term=.617af46b86eb

[Auggie]

34. +1. More had to be involved in this than just the Trump campaign too ...

GOP leadership for one.

[pangaia]

42. No question...

The fascistas(sp?) have been working toward this for decades.. MANY decades...

[uponit7771]

35. +1

[pangaia]

41. What is your problem with a country that wants to remain free? It seems like a simple thing.

DUH !!!!!!!!



THE question, ain't it..

[StatGirl]

57. That was the loyalty test

Without showing that he could deliver on the platform change, Trump wouldn't have received Putin's help for the general election.

[onecent]

31. K & R...keep it running

[Moostache]

32. Bingo...its ALWAYS about the money with these people and their ilk...

GOP "leadership"? McConnell and Ryan are neck deep in conflicts of interest and Russian money of their own. They won't do anything to directly bring that heat on them...like everything else, their plan is to delay, deny and obfuscate as long as necessary for this to go away. It always does in their playbook, no matter what.

Trump is a criminal and has been one his entire adult life, probably well before that. He is nothing but a fraud to his core and everyone knows it, most painfully of all, himself. He obsesses about being liked because he self-loathes and has daddy issues that were never resolved. It is not complicated at all...he is a jackass that knows in his private thoughts that he is an imbecile out of his depth and flailing around like a drunk on a 3-day bender at last call.

The money is the reason he sold his soul to Putin, the illicit loans and back door deals are the crimes that got him his sweet, sweet Rubles; and the inept cover-up and moronic yes-men are going to be the trigger that brings it all down on his head.

[pangaia]

44. Pretty darn good post..

" self-loathes..."

That, in my view, is the basic psychological sickness with all of them....

They hate themselves, are afraid to look at themselves because of what they fear they may find,(aren't we all to one degree or another), and thus live their lives in a type of drugged state of unreality.. The consequences for the rest of humanity is appalling.

[DownriverDem]

33. One Question

What about pence?

[pangaia]

45. They are all into it up to the eyeballs to one degree or another.

Pence is just another sick, delusional fuck along with the whole crowd, deeply mentally disturbed, emotional stunted and sexually repressed.

No charge for the diagnosis.




Personally, I doubt pence is actually an earthling.

[Botany]

64. Newsweek Manafort (Russian agent) picked Pence to be V.P.

http://www.newsweek.com/mike-pence-was-handpicked-paul-manafort-696412

Russia is way deep into the Republican party.


Before Trump formally announced Pence as his vice presidential candidate, it was Manafort who made sure it happened, The New York Times reported last year.

Trump had hesitated to settle on Pence, who was governor of Indiana. Trump was fielding last-ditch appeals from New Jersey Governor Chris Christie and publicly said he had not made a “final, final decision” until advisers like Manafort reminded him of the importance of uniting the GOP around conservative Christian values.

CBS News reported that Pence was Manafort's "first choice" and that Manafort even lied about mechanical problems on Trump's plane to make the soon-to-be GOP nominee stay an extra day in Indiana to get to know Pence. In a phone call, Manafort assured Trump that Pence was the right choice and made a case that won over the real estate tycoon.

[cubbies01]

36. Solid and logical

One thing I would add that is not much spoken about but I honestly believe Russia has been involved with far right wing nuts in US for over a decade creating a populous who is not concerned about Putin and Russia. In fact, the like him.

[Upthevibe]

37. Thank you....

I just cut and pasted this into a word document for reference. I LOVE DU!!!

[pangaia]

46. You are welcome.

The downside is I just admitted that I sometimes read yahoo, and even worse the comments !!!!!!

[orangecrush]

50. perfectly clear.

[KY_EnviroGuy]

51. Chapter "X" of the "vast right-wing conspiracy".

Starting with Nixon (just in my time), there's been so many through the years, I've lost track. It's no wonder since they're so good at propagating their bullshit while concealing their real motives.

Thank you Hill and Bill for coming up with that phrase.

[mr_lebowski]

54. Mostly agree 'cept I'll even take it one step further ... the money they were loaned ...

WAS RUSSIA'S MONEY. No doubt carefully obscured with 12 layers of shell companies in Azerbaijan or whatnot, but it was Russian dough, if not Putin's himself.

I.E. it was not just a 'we'll guarantee the loan' type of deal but rather it was literally their money. I'm sure steps were taken by the people in on the scam at the bank to obfuscate that fact, but if Mueller had forensic accountants go over the banks records I bet you they'd have found the evidence.

They couldn't just hand it to a soon-to-be Presidential candidate in a briefcase so their had to be an intermediary and the legal imprimatur of a loan ... and thats where Deutsche came in.

We already know they were up to their eyeballs into laundering Russian cash (to the tune of $10B) hence them being prosecuted and fined like $750M recently.

How much you wanna bet that any recent loans to Kush and Trump ... came from that $10B kitty?

[bucolic_frolic]

55. Oligarchs and deregulation were part of the payoff

the right to pollute freely is worth a lot of money

[pangaia]

68. Right you are, pollute, abuse resources, drug prices, medical costs,

private prisons and schools.... media monopolies,, etc etc etc...

[Corgigal]

56. Plus Trump didn't think he would win.

So, what's some Broadway for a few months and done.

Russia played a Trump better then Trump played Russia. Everyone is losing. Including Russia when we get our house in order.

[FailureToCommunicate]

67. AND Russia funneled $$ thru the NRA. And. And. And. Meanwhile, behind the main show...

flash and bang, the Republicans trip over themselves in joy to ram thru as much of their decades long agendas as they can before (or if) the whole enterprise is busted open.

A spy novelist would have gotten rejections from publishers if this were the plot of their book: "Too far fetched. No reader will believe this could happen in America"

[pangaia]

69. I sure didn't believe it many years ago, either.

I saw all the pieces of evidence piece by piece, but....