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Tommy_Carcetti

(43,216 posts)
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 11:56 AM Jul 2012

"If you ban ____, you only will create a black market for it. Therefore, we cannot ban ____."

I'm tired of this excuse being trumped out by libertarians, from both the left and the right.

Yes, perhaps there are things that are illegal that need not be illegal.

But it's not a universal concept. It doesn't apply in all situations.

There are some things that are so hideous, so unnecessary that they are not deserving of legal protection. Even if prohibiting it won't stop all use of it, some things don't deserve to stand behind the color of law.

Go ahead, call me a "nanny stater", but some things should just be illegal, period.

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"If you ban ____, you only will create a black market for it. Therefore, we cannot ban ____." (Original Post) Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2012 OP
Dumb excuse. It's easier to track & take down black markets than disrupt everyones lives. FarLeftFist Jul 2012 #1
Tracking and taking down black markets does disrupt everyone's lives.. Fumesucker Jul 2012 #6
Isn't that how it is now? kctim Jul 2012 #2
Collective human common sense guides the way. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2012 #5
To what situation/items do you refer? I think context is important. OneTenthofOnePercent Jul 2012 #3
Like the SyFy channel? -..__... Jul 2012 #4
I love their argument, because it just shows me where their "minds" are. Lawlbringer Jul 2012 #7

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
6. Tracking and taking down black markets does disrupt everyone's lives..
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 12:54 PM
Jul 2012

How could it not? With black markets everyone is a suspect and since both parties to the crime are trying to hide it then police subterfuge and spying on everyone is a given.

Driving down some highways in America while melanin enhanced can easily lead to getting your car thoroughly tossed by the cops for DWBrown. They'll just bring in a drug sniffing dog that's been trained to alert on a gesture from it's handler and strip your car to the chassis.

Have a little too much cash on you when you're pulled over? Buh bye, you have to sue and hope you get it back.



 

kctim

(3,575 posts)
2. Isn't that how it is now?
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 12:40 PM
Jul 2012

I think your beef is more over that fact that your opinion of what "things that are so hideous, so unnecessary that they are not deserving of legal protection," is not shared by the majority of Americans.

Who do YOU think should make the distinction between what is legal and what is illegal?

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,216 posts)
5. Collective human common sense guides the way.
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 12:48 PM
Jul 2012

Almost everyone believes murder and rape to be wrong. Most people are not so deluded, however, to think that laws against murder and rape will stop all murders and rapes from occurring, and they know that people will continue to run afoul of the law. However, the concept of murder and rape is so repugnant to basic human decency and common sense that we believe laws against it should remain notwithstanding the fact they are not always effective.

That's an extreme example, but you'd be surprised how much human beings have an inner Potter Stewart in them.

 

-..__...

(7,776 posts)
4. Like the SyFy channel?
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 12:46 PM
Jul 2012

I agree... some things just aren't fit, nor do they belong in a decent, civilized society.

Lawlbringer

(550 posts)
7. I love their argument, because it just shows me where their "minds" are.
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 01:19 PM
Jul 2012

That line of logic leads to, "welp, let's have no laws."

Libertarians should devote less money to financing Ron Paul's perpetually doomed campaigns and put money into a time machine so they can go live in the old freaking west.

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