Dick Durbin barred from receiving Holy Communion

[Dawson Leery]

https://aleteia.org/blogs/deacon-greg-kandra/springfield-bishop-paprocki-senator-durbin-is-not-to-be-admitted-to-holy-communion/

Start illegal wars, steal from working people, be a racist, but never support reproductive health and LGBT rights.

...and they wonder why their doors are closing.

[Eliot Rosewater]

1. About abortion? Fuck the catholic church

[Angry Dragon]

2. They have more rules than god

[Enoki33]

53. And more bureaucracy than the Kremlin.

[MineralMan]

3. Thank goodness we have the Roman Catholic Church to decide such matters.

[wishstar]

4. I wouldn't want to support a church that enabled pedophiles anyway

Even if I was true believer in the creed, not one penny of mine would go to that church after they covered up and then had to pay out millions in settlements to victims

[Egnever]

5. Interesting wonder what the pope would say about that.

I suspect the pope is less concerned with absolutism when it comes to the catholic churches standards. I could be wrong.

[LisaM]

10. Yeah, the current Pope is far less concerned with absolutism.

Stories like this annoy me, because the Catholic churches I've attended have always been liberal. I hate that there are conservative Catholics; it's certainly not the tradition I grew up in!!!

[Egnever]

12. Even worse this appears to be over a vote

I am not sure that reaches the level of baring from communion. It would be interesting to see what happened if he appealed to the pope.

[Volaris]

24. looks like somebody figured out that Cardinal Burke got 'promoted' and now there's a Job Opening

for Most Prominent American Asshole in the clergy hierarchey.

[SunSeeker]

6. This from the church that protected child rapist priests.

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[workinclasszero]

29. Bingo!

[NightWatcher]

7. We should send him a package of Ritz crackers, a box of wine, and a can of EZ Cheese.

[ProudLib72]

18. That sounds really good

Can you send me some before I sit down to watch The Exorcist? That's as close to Catholicism as I am willing to get.

[BigmanPigman]

31. I purchased communion wafers on line and served them

at a party with salsa. They are actually the best on their own though.

My mom gave me the choice at age 9 if I wanted to go to CCD anymore. I said, "Hell no, I want to sleep late on Sat mornings". My whole family is a group of non god fearing atheists and the only thing bad about that is the yummy communion wafers are missed. You can get a tub of them for about $7...a good deal.

[Glamrock]

40. A tub of "the body of Christ!"

BLASPHEMER!

[BigmanPigman]

47. That post remanded me how tasty they are so I just ordered more.

I got the tub of 250, I can't afford the $1,000 "host making machine". I'll get them in time for Easter. Maybe I'll bring them as an hors 'doeuvres with guacamole and salsa to my sister's dinner. My family has a good sense of humor.

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Communion-Wafer-Plain-1-1-8-Diameter-Pack-of-250-RW-70/42640904 (I ordered these).
http://www.holyart.com/liturgical-accessories/hosts-moulds/host-baking-machine-650-watt?gclid=CjwKCAiA_ojVBRAlEiwAOLRxI5jnr-SJ9uavjQZ6zsM1ST42Pwbd7-9No6zoDYmYzbRdHVhIU5BuvhoCNZIQAvD_BwE

[TexasTowelie]

51. Thank God you got your order in on time for Easter.

He has arisen, even though the communion wafers didn't.

[ProudLib72]

75. One time in grad school, I went to the Hillel for Yom Kippur services

There was this one guy who had his own tefillin, his own tzitzit, everything. I think he must have been raised orthodox. Anyway, this guy was in our little group who went the first evening and met up again the next evening after the fast. Our group decided to break the fast with pizza. Hurray! We went to the pizza place and started ordering. The guy who had been raised orthodox ordered his with bacon. Some snickered, but we ignored it until his pizza came. He lifted a piece and all the cheese fell off the slice onto his plate. I exclaimed, "That's definitely a sign!" He told me, "No, it would only be a sign if it had fallen in my lap, but since it landed on the plate who cares."

[BigmanPigman]

77. Even if it landed on the floor the 5 second rule can be applied...

Of course that depends on the floor.

If I choke on a wafer and you don't see me posting anymore you will know what happened.

[ProudLib72]

79. Ever notice the number of seconds changes in that rule?

Sometimes it's three seconds. Other times, it's five seconds. I think it has to do with how desirable the item was that fell. A piece of cauliflower might be a "one second" rule. A ding dong, on the other hand, well that's like "twenty second" rule.

[PA Democrat]

8. Did they bar the priests who raped and sexually assaulted children?

If I recall, the bishops looked the other way and continued to give pedophile priests access to more children to victimize.

[Iliyah]

9. And yet they give Holy Communion to people like Lying Ryan

[VMA131Marine]

11. The Episcopal Church will accept him!

[Dawson Leery]

13. +1

:kick:

[Freethinker65]

14. Find a Jesuit, or other less partisan, priest. Plenty of them out there.

Perhaps all of the many Catholic women currently using contraception and their willing sexual partners should abstain from Catholic Churches that play political partisan politics.

I was raised Catholic. Never believed in it, but I have plenty of "cafeteria Catholic" relatives. None of them care about what the fanatical grandstanding bishops say. They see right through the partisan hypocritical nonsense.

[Eyeball_Kid]

15. The Catholic Church is "pro-fetus", not pro-life.

When the Catholic Church is just as dogmatic about outlawing the sales and use of guns and assault rifles, is just as dogmatic about demanding universal health care (including the health of pregnant women), they might gain credibility. There are many "pro-life" positions that the Church simply ignores because of political expediency.

[The_Casual_Observer]

16. The same "Holy Communion" passed out from the hands of child molesters forever?

They can keep it till it rots.

[The Polack MSgt]

17. So, political judgemnts cloaked in religious posturing...

Here is what Paprocki said regarding refusing communion for the Senator "I agree completely with His Eminence, Cardinal Timothy Dolan" well, that clears that up.

This is not new either:
"In April 2004, Sen. Durbin’s pastor, then Msgr. Kevin Vann (now Bishop Kevin Vann of Orange, CA), said that he would be reticent to give Sen. Durbin Holy Communion because his pro-abortion position put him outside of communion or unity with the Church’s teachings on life. My predecessor, now Archbishop George Lucas of Omaha, said that he would support that decision. I have continued that position."

Political organizations should be regulated and taxed.

Criminal organizations should be prosecuted.

The Roman Catholic Church in America is both. His Eminence Cardinal Dolan should be doing time for aiding and abetting a pedophile procuring conspiracy.

He should be forced to register as a right wing lobbyist as well...

[hfojvt]

19. that wouldn't bother me so much

if they would also call out some politicians in the Republican Party.

[TheBlackAdder]

20. Yet, uber Ayn-Randian Paul Ryan is embraced by his Catholic parish.

[Atticus]

21. So, when do we start taxing these pious hypocrites? nt

[Gore1FL]

22. How does one get on such a list?

Is there a long wait?

[Botany]

23. But the Catholic Church gave communion to this guy

Al Capone

[rurallib]

25. and this guy who tried to take health care away from the poor

[Botany]

43. And had Cardinals who covered up child rape by Priests

https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2017-12-20/cardinal-who-covered-up-sexually-abusive-priests-dies

CARDINAL BERNARD LAW, the disgraced former archbishop of Boston who failed to stop child molesters in the priesthood, has died "following a long illness," the Vatican announced Wednesday. He was 86.

After the sex abuse scandal broke in Boston, Law was forced to resign in 2002. The Catholic church moved him to serve as the archpriest of the Papal Liberian Basilica of St. Mary Major in Rome, one of the most important churches in the Catholic religion.

Law's inaction was revealed in The Boston Globe's Spotlight investigation into sexual abuse in the Catholic church. It was found Law and other bishops prior to him had covered for pedophile priests in the Boston Ardicocese, moving abusive priests from parish to parish, despite knowledge of their sexual abuse of young children without alerting police or parents.

Law apologized to victims of one priest, Rev. John Geoghan, a serial abuser. He insisted Geoghan's abuse was in the past, CNN reported. Law, one of the most powerful and influential figures in the Catholic church, never faced any criminal repercussions.

[keithbvadu2]

54. CARDINAL BERNARD LAW was pulled to the Vatican to escape the legal law.

[Botany]

57. I have a good friend who was a mental health consular in Cleveland in the 1980s and 90s ....

...... and he told me about a Church in Arizona that the Catholic Church used to send
pedophile priests to and then send them on to different churches around America where
they continued to be predators.

[iscooterliberally]

26. They named their bishop after Pop Rocks?

[jberryhill]

30. Win!

[workinclasszero]

27. But they would welcome the pussy grabber with open arms!

Trump the sex assaulter, the scourge of the poor, the sick and the old. The warmonger fake christian who says he has never sinned, they love and follow...to their doom!

[olegramps]

34. The Catholic Catechism added the Beatitude "Blessed are the gropers, their member will swell"

[workinclasszero]

35. Sounds about right

For worshipers of Ayn Rand.

[NastyRiffraff]

44. The irony is

Ayn Rand was an atheist. If you want to get the Paul Ryan branch of the Catholic Church angry, point out that little inconvenient truth.

[workinclasszero]

89. Funny how the religious right philosophy

lines right up with atheist libertarian Rand huh?

Hmm what did Jesus say?

"No one can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other; or else he will be devoted to one and despise the other. You can't serve both God and Mammon.


Yeah its real easy to see who the religious republicans master is huh? SMH

[shenmue]

78. Trump is a Presbyterian. The Roman Catholics aren't in communion with them.

[Mr.Bill]

28. Any problem one has with the Catholic church

can be fixed by giving them money.

[workinclasszero]

33. Don't forget the protestant or non-denominational MEGA churches

all across America.

They will take all your cash too!

[yallerdawg]

32. "... until he repents of this sin."

In other words, Durbin is NOT excommunicated - he just has to confess and repent before Holy Communion.

Just like the rest of us sinners.

[orangecrush]

36. ANTI CATHOLIC BIGOTRY HAS NO PLACE ON D.U.

"There follows a list of all the Catholic Democrats in Congress:

Senate Democrats: Mark Begich, Alaska; Joseph Biden, Delaware; Maria Cantwell, Washington; Robert P. Casey Jr., Pennsylvania; Christopher J. Dodd, Connecticut; Richard Durbin, Illinois; Tom Harkin, Iowa; Edward M. Kennedy, Massachusetts; John F. Kerry, Massachusetts; Mary Landrieu, Louisiana; Patrick J. Leahy, Vermont; Claire McCaskill, Missouri; Robert Menendez, New Jersey; Barbara Mikulski, Maryland; Patty Murray, Washington; Jack Reed, Rhode Island; and Ken Salazar, Colorado.
House Democrats: Jason Altmire, Pennsylvania; Michael A. Arcuri, New York; Joe Baca, California; Xavier Becerra, California; Timothy H. Bishop, New York; John Boccieri, Ohio; Robert Brady, Pennsylvania; Michael E. Capuano, Massachusetts; Dennis A. Cardoza, California; Christopher P. Carney, Pennsylvania; William Lacy Clay, Missouri; Gerald E. Connolly, Virginia; Jim Costa, California; Jerry F. Costello, Illinois; Joe Courtney, Connecticut; Joseph Crowley, New York; Henry Cuellar, Texas; Kathy Dahlkemper, Pennsylvania; Peter DeFazio, Oregon; William D. Delahunt, Massachusetts; Rosa L. DeLauro, Connecticut; John D. Dingell, Michigan; Joe Donnelly, Indiana; Michael F. Doyle, Pennsylvania; Steve Driehaus, Ohio; Brad Ellsworth, Indiana; Anna Eshoo, California; Kirsten E. Gillibrand, New York; Charlie Gonzalez, Texas; Raul M. Grijalva, Arizona; Luis V. Gutierrez, Illinois; John J. Hall, New York; Phil Hare, Illinois; Brian Higgins, New York; Maurice D. Hinchey, New York; Ruben Hinojosa, Texas; Tim Holden, Pennsylvania; and Paul Kanjorski, Pennsylvania.
Marcy Kaptur, Ohio; Patrick J. Kennedy, Rhode Island; Dale E. Kildee, Michigan; Mary Jo Kilroy, Ohio; Ann Kirkpatrick, Arizona; Dennis J. Kucinich, Ohio; James R. Langevin, Rhode Island; John B. Larson, Connecticut; Daniel Lipinski, Illinois; Ben Ray Lujan, New Mexico; Stephen F. Lynch, Massachusetts; Dan Maffei, New York; Betsy Markey, Colorado; Ed Markey, Massachusetts; Jim Marshall, Georgia; Eric Massa, New York; Carolyn McCarthy, New York; Betty McCollum, Minnesota; James P. McGovern, Massachusetts; Michael E. McMahon, New York; Jerry McNerney, California; Charlie Melancon, Louisiana; Michael H. Michaud, Maine; George Miller, California; Harry E. Mitchell, Arizona; James P. Moran, Virginia; Patrick J. Murphy, Pennsylvania; and John P. Murtha, Pennsylvania.

Grace F. Napolitano, California; Richard E. Neal, Massachusetts; James L. Oberstar, Minnesota; David R. Obey, Wisconsin; Frank Pallone, New Jersey; Bill Pascrell, New Jersey; Ed Pastor, Arizona; Nancy Pelosi, California; Tom Perriello, Virginia; Charles B. Rangel, New York; Silvestre Reyes, Texas; Ciro D. Rodriguez, Texas; Lucille Roybal-Allard, California; Tim Ryan, Ohio; John T. Salazar, Colorado; Linda T. Sanchez, California; Loretta Sanchez, California; Jose E. Serrano, New York; Joe Sestak, Pennsylvania; Carol Shea-Porter, New Hampshire; Albio Sires, New Jersey; Hilda L. Solis, California; Bart Stupak, Michigan; Ellen Tauscher, California; Gene Taylor, Mississippi; Mike Thompson, California; Paul Tonko, New York; Nydia M. Velazquez, New York; Peter J. Visclosky, Indiana; Diane E. Watson, California; Peter Welch, Vermont; and Charles A. Wilson, Ohio."

http://www.catholicdemocrats.org/news/2008/12/all_catholic_democrats_in_cong.php


Your o.p. is not offensive, but some of the replies most certainly are.

[Glamrock]

42. If telling truth is offensive

Put me on the list of offenders.
Signed,
A recovering Catholic.

[orangecrush]

48. I'm sure Biden and Pelosi

would not appreciate comments (not yours) like "fuck the Catholic Church".

Nor, if alive, would JFK RFK, and Ted Kennedy.

I despise religious bigotry of any stripe.

[Glamrock]

55. I hear you.

And you're right. But, that being said, no one can deny the Catholic church has a helluva lot to answer for.

[orangecrush]

60. As do most religions

that are as old as the Catholic church.

I do not deny the problems.

It saddens me seeing these kind of blanket attacks when I think of wonderful work being done by groups like the Benedictine nuns.

Or this guy...

"Pope Francis has cleared the way to sainthood for Archbishop Oscar Romero, a beloved advocate for the poor and a fierce critic of El Salvador's civil war who was slain in 1980 by a right-wing death squad.".


https://www.google.com/amp/www.latimes.com/world/mexico-americas/la-fg-vatican-oscar-romero-20180307-story.html%3foutputType=amp

[Glamrock]

63. I feel you.

I do. I went to Catholic school from kidergarden through 12th grade. I know they've done good. And I adore the new Pope. But this kind of BS that local Cardinals and priests pull just accentuate the existing problems and past discrepancies.

[orangecrush]

65. Agreed!

I fight this kind of right wing bullshit constantly.

The real Jesus loved the poor.


Republican Jesus is a lie.

[Glamrock]

70. Absolutely!

I fight with my mom about this crap all the time. She goes to church regularly and I'm an athiest. The thing is, my moral center was informed by the teachings of Christ. Doesn't matter whether I believe he was the son of God or if he even existed. What bothers me is that people who belong to the church ignore or are oblivious to Jesus' message.

[orangecrush]

71. I believe

the major religions that gave survived the test of time all have similar moral (and quite valid) morality. Such as....

[Glamrock]

74. Thanks for that....

[orangecrush]

76. ...

[TheSmarterDog]

52. Your anger should be directed at Bishop Paprocki. He's the one disrespecting the Church.

[orangecrush]

62. It is!

and I just posted on his twitter, asking why he refused Durbin communion, while the Catholic right wing remains silent on Trump's "morality".

[keithbvadu2]

56. Yet allowing pederast priests to prey on more children is not offensive?

[melman]

67. Did anyone actually say that?

Of course not.

[Skittles]

61. it is amazing what offends some people and what does not

[orangecrush]

68. Hi Skittles!

36

There are many liberal Catholics who are doing great work (see post 36) who are also horrified by and condemn abuses within the church, and in no way support the opinions of the Catholic right wing.

[melman]

64. Agreed

Some of the replies are unreal.

[orangecrush]

69. It's like condemning the entire Muslim faith

for the actions of a small group of terrorists.

[lark]

37. Fuck the Catholic and Evangelical churches.

Total hypocrites and have destroyed their franchises forever. Youth will not put up with this BS and are turning away in droves, as they should.

[TheSmarterDog]

38. The RC Church & it's minions certainly have a right to decide who & who doesn't get communion.

But that should be between the Church and the communitant.

By making a public statement, Bishop Asshole has made it political, which could lead his diocese to lose it's tax exempt status.And he has violated the Seal of the Confessional and his vow as a priest, which is a sin, and he could be subject to excommunication.

[Raven123]

49. Exactly

[ooky]

72. As the stench of his hypocrisy rises to heaven.

[ooky]

73. meant to be response to OP

[Honeycombe8]

39. Durbin needs to turn from the sin of being pro-choice to being pro-pedophile....

who preys on young boys. Since that seems to be a-ok with the Catholic Church. Heck, the Church will even protect you, if others come after you for it, like it's a crime or something.

[Mc Mike]

41. Some JPII Ratzinger bishop, I bet.

We've got a crummy one of those around here, Zubik.

I'm sorry Paprocki is targeting Sen Durbin. I never go to communion, myself, but not being allowed to get the host might mean something to him.

[bronxiteforever]

45. My aunt was denied communion for decades because of divorce

In times of stress, the Church made it worse and marked her as a sinner. I walked away and haven’t looked back, except I do love the Pope and the Nuns on the bus. The American RC Church, like evangelical Christians is a conservative political movement disguised as religion.

[phylny]

90. For years, my father didn't take communion because he used birth control

A priest told him to please start again and not to worry about it.

I am not bashing Catholics, but I'm no longer one. I couldn't reconcile my beliefs with the doctrine. Specifically, I don't believe the pope is infallible, I don't pray to Mary, and I don"t think birth control is sinful. So, I'm Presbyterian now.

[Augiedog]

46. They arent and havent been a Church for years. Nothing more than an extortionist group.

[Submariner]

50. the Roman Catholic Church of Child Rape needs to get out of the kiddie sex abuse biz,

sell off its hundreds of millions in real estate, art and other assets, give it away to their rape victims and go the f*ck away.

[keithbvadu2]

58. It is a business and here to stay

[keithbvadu2]

59. Super-Christian Trump: Drink my little wine, have my little cracker

Trump: Drink my little wine, have my little cracker

http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2015/08/13/donald-trump-religion-serfaty-dnt-erin.cnn

[maxrandb]

66. It's all fucking publicity

If his name were Dick Smith, they wouldn't give a shit

[Tatiana]

80. This is very sad.

Sen. Durbin is a practicing Catholic and I do believe he believes in the sanctity of life, but he will not force a woman to do something with her own body against her will.

I am no longer a practicing Catholic, but I respect those who are and this really saddens me. There are many Republican Catholics who pro-gun, pro-wealthy, and could care less about the needs of the poor among us who regularly receive Communion.

[EffieBlack]

81. Next Up: Church denies communion to every Catholic in the Trump Administration and every Catholic

Senate or House member who doesn't protect immigrants and doesn't condemn Trump's racism, xenophobia, adultery, fornication, immorality, sloth, greed, envy.

No? That's not going to happen?

Well then - at least now we know how much credence to give anything the Church says ...

[dembotoz]

82. open communion at my church he is more than welcome...

i actually have not done communion myself since the mid 80s

wife had chemo and reduce immune system from leukemia

oncologist was something of a germ freak....and rightly so
for example...enchiladas were ok but tacos not as much because you did not see how the lettuce and tomatoes were washed.
no buffet, no pot luck...you get the idea? kind of amusing have a good friend who had a double lung transplant and will have similar restrictions for life...i play guilt implementer is i catch her cheating...i think she likes that i play cop....

anyway communion thanks to oncology.....just grosses me out

so dick durbin please have communion at my church but do not be offended if i do not partake with you

[justgamma]

83. They did the same thing to John Kerry.

Just trying to make a political statement.

[struggle4progress]

84. I'll guess this applies only in the Diocese of Springfield

[rurallib]

85. good question - in my Catholic days an excommunication anywhere applied everywhere

but of course no one would probably know you outside of your own parish and many maybe not even in your own parish.

So what to do? Employ the "mortal sin and will burn in hell forever 'n' ever" card. If you would take communion anywhere it was another ticket to hell. You dos yourself in!

[struggle4progress]

86. A bishop refusing to give communion is not quite the same as excommunication

[rurallib]

87. Ah - thanks.

That was what I remembered but I am sure that I was probably not paying close attention to much of the religious instruction in the day

[kwassa]

88. I'm sure Durbin can recieve Communion all over DC.

and if not in the Catholic Church, the Episcopal Church will certainly welcome him. We welcome everyone.