Did Russia Meddle in 2008 Election as Revenge for Clinton's Opposition to Balkan Genocides?

[McCamy Taylor]

I ask, because Putin came to power on a wave of pro-Russian fascism sparked by the Clintons response to genocide being committed by ethnic Slavs in the Balkans. I believe that Putin and a number of Russian right wingers hate the Clintons for shining a light on the crimes against humanity committed in the Balkans. I believe that Putin and his fellow Russian fascists made up their minds that no Clinton would ever be in a position of power again in the US.

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All those Russian moles were not planted overnight. Many of them were sent during the Cold War. I would like to find out what they were doing in the 1990s and 2000s. Did they aid Bush? Did they work against Clinton in the 2008 primary? Without letting Obama know, of course. Obama would not have allowed it. He was not a dirty tricks kind of president. I love and respect the man as much as I despise Trump. But he can not be everywhere at once, and he can not be held responsible for Russian agents who might have posed as supporters.

I keep going back to the media circus over the 'sniper fire' that did not happen in Bosnia. The press kept harping on that. No one talked about the genocide. No one cared about the genocide. They only cared about the "lie". And it came up again in 2016. Russia must have loved the fact that the genocide in the Balkans was now politically more of a liability for Clinton than it was Russia---even though all she did was tell the story wrong, while the Slavs, allies of Russia attempted an ethnic purge of civilian men, women and children and buried the bodies in unmarked mass graves.

So, anyway, Mr. Mueller, while you are investigating online Russian moles pretending to be concerned Americans, will you check to see if any of them were at work in 2008 attempting to pretend to be "for" Obama but actually attempting to use the primary as an excuse to "taint" Clinton so that she would be unelectable in the future? I have seen a lot of Democratic primaries, but things were done and said in 2008 that crossed lines that were not crossed even in 1968 and 1972. Folks that should have known that they would be campaigning for Clinton as the likely Dem nominee in 2016 called her "dumb blond" and "monster" and even "cunt". It would have been very easy for Russian moles posing as concerned Democrats online to to fuel fires with inflammatory posts and by rating up inflammatory posts and creating the impression that the Democratic rank and file loved that kind of excessive caricature that we witnessed in 2008--like KO comparing her to Madeline Kahn in "What's Up Doc?" Did Russian moles give excessive rhetoric 100,000 "likes"? Did the political pundits who have careers to think about get snookered into wounding the eventual Democratic nominee with friendly fire that would lead some left leaning voters with long memories to say "I could never vote for that woman"?

This would require long range planning, but I can see Russia doing long range planning. And, for Putin, I think the hatred of the Clintons is personal.

Note: I am not rehashing an old election here, though if there are any Russian moles reading this they will claim that I am. Because they do not want us to have this type of discussion of the dirty tricks that they (might) employ. If we know what they are up to, then they can not do their job this year, which is to interfere with the Democratic primaries. The only way Putin will maintain control of Congress will be to get the Dems to nominate a bunch of general elections un--electables. If he can not do that, he will have to finance a bunch of third party splitters, but that is costlier and riskier--easier to detect.

Ok, flame away. I'm wearing my asbestos undies, and since I am not a paid political pundit, I don't give a fuck.

Oh, and it is entirely possible that Russian mole/bots may be under orders to ignore all threads that reference the Balkan genocides since the last thing that Putin wants to do is to remind the world that he came to power under a Russian mandate to support fellow Slavs who commit genocide. It might be bad for business. Maybe if we really want to hit Russia where it hurts, we should be making movies about the Balkan genocide, doing comic books about the Balkan genocide, writing books about it and making sure that no one ever forgets it. Meddling in another country's election----shrug. Genocide---that's pretty serious in comparison. I know which one gets me more hot and bothered.



https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-city-celebrating-putin-trump-and-a-notorious-war-criminal

BELGRADE—The Serbian capital, Belgrade, often looks like “Putingrad,” with occasional splashes of passion for Trump. On these hot July days, a stroll around the Kalemegdan Park or Belgrade’s main shopping street, Knez Mihailova, reveals portraits of both men on the front pages of newspapers and magazines, on T-shirts, cups, flyers, and posters.

The worlds of President Donald Trump and President Vladimir Putin commingle in curious ways among the souvenirs. A popular T-shirt design that would leave Trump perplexed (and Sarah Palin infuriated) shows Putin in a pilot’s uniform with the caption: “Crimea is Russia, Alaska is Russia, Everything is Russia, except for Kosovo.”

Memories of the gruesome Balkan wars that tore Yugoslavia apart in the 1990s remain strong and bitter. Serbia, which once sought to dominate the region, saw its power eliminated in Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Macedonia, Montenegro, and Kosovo.

Those who committed unspeakable atrocities to assert Serbian power are remembered by some as heroes. The 1999 NATO bombing campaign that finally forced Serbia to relinquish its hold on the province of Kosovo—now an independent nation that Belgrade will not recognize—is a memory that does not fade.

[Initech]

1. I wonder if Russia financed 9/11.

The news media always claimed that the terrorists who caused 9/11 were well funded but we've never learned where that money came from. I think if we follow the money there, we'd know.

[McCamy Taylor]

6. Naw, that was to bail out Enron and Haliburton

and to provide smoke for the fire that was the final Florida vote count. Since the net effect would be a rise in oil prices, I am sure that Putin would not have been unhappy, but I am pretty sure it was Saudi money. They needed to raise oil prices, too, plus they needed to turn their political rebels into religious zealots, otherwise the monarchy would fall.

[GaryCnf]

2. So now we're refighting the 2008 primaries?

[David__77]

3. The Russian fever gets worse.

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[GaryCnf]

5. IMHO there is zero doubt

that Russia interfered in 2016 and cost us Democratic votes and enhanced GOP turnout (which should have been severely depressed by their pos candidate) BUT this has turned into an excuse factory.

[McCamy Taylor]

4. Bingo!

Did you read the whole post?

Forgot to point out that all the nastiness suddenly stopped after the convention. And then W. announced we were bankrupt and that we had to bail out the banks which put nails in the coffin of McCain's campaign. Proving that the GOP never believed it was going to win. So, if the GOP never thought it was going to win, why spend all that effort on the primary? John Edwards I could understand. Corporations considered him (and especially his wife) dangerous. But U.S. business could get along with Clinton. Why all that hatred directed at her personally? I am beginning to think it might have been Russia. Someone with access to computer records should be able to figure it out.

[GaryCnf]

8. Are you kidding?

Do you seriously believe that the personal hatred was targeted less at Obama than his primary opponents?

At some point folks need to face up to the fact that the number one reason some people lose is them.

[mythology]

7. The reason the sniper fire thing came up in 2008 was Clinton

She bragged about it in a speech. The reason nobody talked about the genocide is that was 15 years old and not relevant. Unlike what a candidate said in a campaign speech.

Also of note, while the primaries were still going, Obama was already the favorite to win by March 2008.

[JI7]

9. No, Putin hated Obama also

And mccain and Romney were very anti Putin.

We have actual evidence of 2016 .