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The legal expert is Elizabeth de la Vega. Her 10-tweet thread about this starts with this tweet:
Link to tweet
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)slumcamper
(1,606 posts)Don't presume that the traditions and conventions of justice will prevail against an enemy of the state such as this, the likes of which this nation has never witnessed.
Please recall that candidate DJT bragged "I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody and not lose any voters" (Sioux Center, Iowa, Jan. 23, 2016).
Reposing in the comfort of tradition and conventions is precisely what our enemies hope we will do. These will NOT serve us at this moment.
RESIST.
I understand how you feel. We must all fight back and win the moment, It starts in your neighborhood--remember: brick by brick, block by block, city by city, state by state--that's how we will change a nation and the world.
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)But I also think the rule of law is still hanging on in this country and Mueller would be reinstated by the SCOTUS. This just adds to my thinking that the courts would reinstate Mueller.
syringis
(5,101 posts)He can't fire Mueller anymore
The way Mueller set the Russians indictment made it impossible. If he do, it will be de facto a case of obstruction.
Nevernose
(13,081 posts)If all parties involved agree to the rules. Trump doesnt care what the rules are. The GOP Congress doesnt care. Neil Gorsuch and much of the Supreme Court dont care.
Our only recourse is voting in November.
slumcamper
(1,606 posts)slumcamper
(1,606 posts)BS b/c this "admin" has amply demonstrated its disdain for legal precedent, much less tradition and protocol, at EVERY twist and turn. Nothing that WE think matters actually matters relative to this admin's actions. Arguments otherwise steeped in reason (such as de la Vaga's), while offering consolation and hope to us, do a disservice to "the fierce urgency of now."
Such arguments--normal under any other circumstance--threaten to breed complacency in the moment. We cannot rest. We cannot repose in confidence within the embrace of legal tradition and time-honored notions of virtue and justice when the unvirtuous actions of an admin hell-bent on deconstructing the administrative state--by whatever means necessary--are unfolding at blinding speed. When we see the laughing faces of dim-witted and unserious fellow "citizen-voters" presumable entertained and laughing at 45 rallies, we must know that it is we who are called upon in this time to preserve the nation.
Screw the hope that justice will prevail. That ship alone cannot save us. This is not an ordinary context, and precedents are largely moot. This historical moment calls for extraordinary means and measures to quash the powers of fascism that threaten to usurp the rule of law and undermine our institutions.
I'm tired...hope you get what I mean. For fuck's sake and christ almighty, this is a FIGHT.
tableturner
(1,683 posts)BigmanPigman
(51,611 posts)accountable for anything as long as they run the government. They haven't so far so why would they change now? Protest in the streets and the halls of Congress as well as state capitals and local reps offices are the only option unless we win the midterms.
syringis
(5,101 posts)It is not at all my field , mine is Civil Law.
But this, is elementary. I don't know how it is called in our system, here it is "the secrecy of procedures". Since Trump is +/- involved, he can't get any information about the ongoing investigation(s).
Trumpig can dance naked in the middle of a square, Mueller will not care.
It is not for nothing that Mueller is so secretive. In comparison, the Sphinx is awfully talkative