How do DUers think this ends for the Con?

[malaise]

He knows Mueller is close. There is no way out of this. I think he'll resign due to 'ill-health'.

[Skittles]

1. GOP congress won't do anything

it's up to the American people to make sure that treasonous bastard loses power in November and loses his "job" in 2020

[malaise]

2. They'll be voted out shortly

and many will be the subject of investigations. Fuck them!

[Skittles]

7. they're not doing anything about Russia

so they still have Russia on their side

[First Speaker]

31. The way things are going...November isn't "shortly"...

...doesn't it feel like the pressure is growing so fast, so inexorably, that something *has* to blow soon? I just can't see all this lasting until November, and I don't quite know what I mean, but I feel it strongly all the same...

[marylandblue]

3. Mueller will indict him

And then he will be either impeached or convicted in court and forced to run the country from jail.

[malaise]

4. That is what I want

[peggysue2]

72. Your lips to God's ear

I want every one of these suckers in an orange jumpsuit. The Dotard and his ugly crew have put the country's national security at risk, is threatening a serious and ultimately devastating trade war and deliberately damaged the credibility of our major Institutions.

The Trumpster and his odious acolytes need to go, yesterday!

[TheBlackAdder]

88. Keep an eye on transfers of Trump's US assets to others. I'm banking he flees the US to a safe haven

[Takket]

5. mueller stalls until the new congress is sworn in in 2019

drumpf impeached in Feb 2019 if Dems hold both houses. Hopefully enough Rs come over to convict but i'm not confident. i think he survives impeachment due to the traitors in congress but Dems make his last 2 year "lame duck"

[Demsrule86]

10. You need 2/3 majority in the Senate. We won't have that.

[Hoyt]

16. Plus, if Mueller is still quiet by November, people are going to start saying they really

don't have anything convincing on trump. We all know he is a crook and worse, and I bet at least 75% of the people who voted for him in 2016 knew that.

To get trump, we need something convincing. I don't think obstruction will help, anyone with an open mind knows he obstructed justice after he was elected.

I think Mueller will indict some of his family.

[Demsrule86]

28. He has been going after civil servants with help from the likes of Gingrich...that could do it.

Also, more indictments are surely coming.

[Me.]

76. What I'd Like To Know

is how Gingrich has any play in getting rid of civil servants that don't take a loyalty oath.

[malaise]

39. He could never accept that - ill health would be a better option

He would go beyond his current state - stark raving mad.

That said your view is possible

[Kirk Lover]

6. No way he's going to go kicking and screaming. Resigning he gives up all his power

and protection and his bully pulpit. He will NEVER resign....he will want them to impeach him before he willfully resigns. Remember he can talk his way out of anything.

[malaise]

11. He's going to lose all that power one way or another

Cons always run out of talk when cornered like a nasty rat.

[syringis]

8. Hi Malaise

Like this :

[malaise]

12. I'd pay to see that

[Demsrule86]

9. Resignation with a pardon.

[malaise]

14. Pardon on the grounds of ill health?

Can't see any other pardon

[Demsrule86]

26. Pence will pardon him like Ford did Nixon...or Ryan if Pence is compromised. It will be the price

Trump demands.

[malaise]

27. Ryan is just as compromised

It's a major mess

[Demsrule86]

35. Wouldn't it be awesome if we win the House and then Trump is forced out and Pence...Nancy Pelosi

would be president I think in this scenario...not likely but a girl can dream.

[malaise]

38. Could happen

Might happen

[Demsrule86]

47. That would be a little slice of heaven...and Karma for the GOP liars and cheaters.

[mn9driver]

48. Wont happen.

If Pence is at risk, he will resign and be quickly replaced by a reliable GOP pig. When Trump goes, the pig becomes President and pardons them both.

It will never, ever get to Pelosi. Guaranteed.

[Demsrule86]

66. You never know...

[Laffy Kat]

62. Oooooooh, I like this scenario, Demsrule86.

[Demsrule86]

67. I know it is a longshot...but wouldn't it be lovely...

[PJMcK]

78. Probably won't happen

But I had the same thought a couple of weeks ago: Democrats take the House. Trump and Pence get ousted. Ms. Pelosi becomes president. She names Hillary Clinton as VP. Six months later, President Pelosi resigns for "health reasons." Hillary Clinton becomes president and all is made right. A healthy reset for the U.S.A.

It won't happen but a boy can dream...

[Demsrule86]

32. You do raise a point though. He may resign citing ill health and Pence will pardon him thus ending

the 'witch hunt' against this poor sick man (sarcasm) who just wanted MAGA...sob sob sob. The Dems would have to overperform the next election as his stupid base would be riled up.

[Poiuyt]

13. Nothing He'll be in office until 2020

Trump may even fire Robert Mueller, but the Congress won't do anything.

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/03/gop-strategist-stuns-msnbc-host-trump-shocker-going-fire-mueller-republicans-will-nothing/

“Here’s what’s going to happen, I’m going to go out on a limb,” Tyler began. “The president has calculated now — and I think it’s true — is the reaction from the Republicans. He is going to fire Robert Mueller. And you know what’s going to happen? Nothing. That’s what’s going to happen. There will be no response from Republican leadership, from Congress.”

Tyler continued as the other guests looked on in amazement.

“He is now going about — the reason to fire [former FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe], the reason to deny him his retirement is he has to discredit him,” Tyler said. “And he has to systematically discredit everybody who’s involved in this Russia investigation. And he has now seen that he can do these things without any recourse. The Congress is not going to reign him in.”

[malaise]

15. This Congress is going down

Next week is the end of March - that's eight months to whip these criminals.

[Poiuyt]

18. I hope you're right

But what if Trump forces the firing of Mueller before then? That's what worries me.

[orangecrush]

22. then the new congress

will appoint a bigger pit bull than Mueller.

[malaise]

24. He can't

and if he tries that all hell breaks loose

[VOX]

17. Until this past weekend, 45 never mentioned Mueller by name in his idiotic tweets.

And then he did, with a vengeance. If i were a betting man, I'd lay money on 45 firing Mueller at some point soon.

As soon as Mueller started investigating 45's business and finances, the clock on Mueller's dismissal started running. As things heat up (and they are indeed heating up), my best guess is that Mueller will be shut down.

45's cult-followers will love it, but if that day does come, Democrats and progressives must TAKE TO THE STREETS.

[Poiuyt]

21. Democrats and progressives WILL take to the street

But Republicans control the House, the Senate, the Executive branch, and the courts. They won't do a damn thing because they put party over country.

[FM123]

19. I'm afraid it ends the way Putin wants it to end (whatever that may be)

[jalan48]

20. Hopefully with the Con playing house in prison.

[malaise]

41. That is the perfect end

for real

[Kablooie]

23. He will manage to shut the investigation down before he has to testify.

The Republicans will support him.
Constitutional crisis.

The sealed indictments will be opened and all the players, including Trump are indicted.
Republicans demand they be nullified.
Another Constitutional crisis.

Trump refuses to step down.
Republicans support him.
Another Constitutional crisis.

Supreme court weighs in and votes to support the indictments...

In November Republican become the minority party in both houses and things continue from there.

OR ....

Supreme court weighs in and votes to kill the indictments.
Another Constitutional crisis, this time from the Supreme Court itself.

In November Republican become the minority party in both houses and things continue from there.

[malaise]

25. Interesting

I have a strange feeling the Supremes will turn on him

[Kablooie]

29. If they have any sense of justice they will.

It seems many of the conservative justices don't, though.

[malaise]

30. I'm not thinking justice

They go along with him and the judiciary's power is over.

[Kablooie]

40. To kill any investigation before it comes to a conclusion is antithetical to the justice system.

If Trump is innocent let the facts demonstrate that.
If the facts are unreasonably biased against Trump it's Trump's lawyer's job to reveal that.

If Trump is guilty he must suffer the consequences.

I don't see how any justice could take a defendants wild claim of innocence as holding more weight than the results of a full investigation.
But the court is so politicized I'm sure many of the justices would side with Trump simply because he's Republican. To hell with the Constitution or our justice system.

[malaise]

42. That is seriously scary

Not sure we're reached there at this stage.

[still_one]

33. I think the only way we will get him out is at the voting booth in 2020, and the only way we will

put a stop to his insanity is winning at least one of the Houses in 2018

I do not think he will resign, nor do I think he will be impeached as long as republicans control Congress

[RandomAccess]

34. I think Trump is playing for his life

I really do.

By that I mean that this is an existential threat to him -- he feels his life is literally in danger here. A loss of reputation like this, a loss of power, a loss of WINNING all add up to a loss of his life.

I think he'll go down swinging as hard as he can and if his life is about to end, he'll take a whole damn lot of people -- possibly even the whole world -- with him.

[bdamomma]

46. Unless someone

deems him mentally unwell, ok now he feels emboldened to say anything...hmm...he's a wanna be dictator but people will not stand for it. Just now on All In Chris Hayes was rather taken back when a reporter for the NY Times said people will be involved in civil unrest if tRump fires Mueller. It will happen. Also the coward will be hightailing out of DC due to the March 24th protests, what a fucking coward, running away from young people??? I guess they hit a nerve. Good for them.

[RandomAccess]

50. Of course it will happen --

depending on what is meant by civil unrest.

MoveOn and Indivisible (I think) have been organizing for the possibility for ages now.

MoveOn
https://act.moveon.org/event/mueller-firing-rapid-response-events/search/

MarchForTruth
https://www.marchfortruth.info/mueller-rapid-response/

Eric Holder calls for protests if Trump fires Mueller
https://www.axios.com/eric-holder-calls-for-protests-if-trump-fires-mueller-1515110630-decdffd6-20a5-45ed-9516-ddf655a5bbbc.html

[malaise]

87. Let him run

Coward

[jberryhill]

56. Cornered rat with nuclear launch codes

[bdamomma]

60. nt

[Demsrule86]

36. REC...really interesting post. Thanks.

[brettdale]

37. something has to give

This week is going to be telling.

[malaise]

43. I'm expecting some indictments

some sealed and some not

[enough]

44. He will finish his first term in office, face some primary challenges,

and “decide” whether he thinks it’s worth it to run again.

[Brother Buzz]

45. The Teflon con will take it to the mat. Then BAM, midterms, baby

[milestogo]

49. It ends here.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

51. My expectations are lower than crocodile piss. At this point if any of

these goat fuckers face any actual consequences. I'll be pleasantly surprised.

[Stuart G]

52. Same as Nixon...out..when? don't know..why? He is a crook...!!!

[Wounded Bear]

53. Nov 18, we flip the House and Senate...

Dec 18, Trump whines about how his "supporters" deserted him and resigns.

(A guy can hope, right?)

[jberryhill]

55. Nuclear Attack on North Korea

[democratisphere]

57. ...

https://goo.gl/images/C5S73P

[leanforward]

58. That would be nice, resignation.

I've been thinking he might stumble down the stairs as a result of a TIA.

[bdamomma]

89. We are on same wavelength

or some kind of dietary mishap. He doesn't do shit, and his anger should ignite something.

[Awsi Dooger]

59. I think he'll finish this term and be extremely difficult to oust in 2020

As always, I don't believe in Happy Adjuster obsession with details and recency, in comparison to big picture long term logic.

[GeorgeGist]

61. I hope it ends in his conviction for Treason.

[Oneironaut]

63. Not only will nothing happen to Trump, imo, but he will probably be re-elected in 2020.

By 2020, he will have successfully destroyed any resistance to his agenda. He will be further emboldened to do wildly illegal things, and there will be nobody to stop him. Every day will be a Constitutional crisis, but nobody in the current government will care.

In the short term, Trump can fire Mueller with absolutely no consequences. Most of his party will praise the decision, even knowing that he's guilty. I believe that he will very soon, which the American public will forget about a week or two after it happens. There will be one big protest, but then everything will slip back to "normal" very quickly.

[Abu Pepe]

64. Maybe. Seems to be gearing up for battle. Foolishly

but seemingly so. If he has his way it ends with us all in prison or worse. Only consolation will be what he does to people like Rove will be worse and sooner. Before he gets to us. But that is how he sees it ending.

[Thekaspervote]

65. Michael Isikoff just said on msbbc

Dodart’s plan is to continue to discredit Mueller and key witnesses. Which he has done quite a bit of already. He also played the scenario out to a subpoena level where dodart continues to stall refuse right up to the Supreme Court which some on the panel said it may take up to a year, others said no, that SCOTUS would expedite the case.

David Cay Johnson said he agreed, that this is what he has done his entire life with little or no consequence. But, he also added that even thou right now his plan is working, it would only be for the short term.

So.. I just felt like I got kicked in the gut listening to there expert opinions, but am reminding myself..... keep your eyes on the prize.. hold on!!! He will be taken down, removed from office, either by the vote or by his crimes.

Like so many here I would love to see the crook in jail. I will settle for him being financially ruined and seen for the low life slime he is.

[Orange Free State]

68. He will be carried away by two Marines in a strait jacket, size xxxl

And only released once a day to golf, dye himself orange, and do his weird combover thing.

[NewJeffCT]

69. He will fire Sessions soon

and Pruitt will then fire Rosenstein and Sessions.

Huge protest marches will take place around the country, but the GOP in Congress will do nothing except wring their hands and issue a few sternly worded tweets.

Democrats will win back the House and re-hire Mueller to lead their own investigation (if they can do that?) - Republicans will get a huge influx of Koch, Mercer and NRA money and hold on to the Senate.

Democrats hold hearings broadcast live on TV and people like Kushner and the Trump kids embarrass themselves on TV and stab each other in the back. Bannon, Nunberg and a few others then testify that Trump Sr knew all along and Mueller pulls out recordings of Trump Sr himself managing the Russian collusion. Democrats begin the impeachment process.

Finally, in late 2019/early 2020 with Trump polling in the high teens/low 20s, the GOP in Congress start turning on him in hopes of salvaging the presidency for 2020. Susan Collins and a few other Senate Republicans approach Trump to resign and he refuses, a la Goldwater approaching Nixon, but Trump refuses.

Trump is indicted by the House with almost half the Republicans voting to indict. The Senate then convicts Trump with 69/70 votes. Trump refuses to go and then is removed forcibly by US Marshalls. Trump is then indicted on many counts for money laundering, conspiracy against the United States, conspiracy to commit cyber crimes, obstruction of justice, witness tampering, etc, etc.

Republicans run a Flake/Kasich ticket, but lose bigly in 2020 as Democrats add Texas, Georgia and Arizona to their list of states won, and also win back PA, MI and Wisconsin as Democrats also retake the senate and pick up seats in the House.

[eShirl]

70. stroke

[Hortensis]

71. Ultimately resignation, but not before he drags

our nation through a major knock-down mud fight.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

73. Resignation next February.

Any earlier, and Pence would be term-limited to six years and a few months. If he holds on 'til late Jan '19, then Pence will be term-limited to almost ten years.

Dog willing, it won't matter, and a Dem will be inaugurated in Jan '21.

[gopiscrap]

74. resignation to spend time with his family

agreement to leave office with no criminal penalties (sorry to say)

[Blue_true]

75. I hope prison, in solitary. nt

[tableturner]

77. Either in prison or escape and exile to Russia......

[enid602]

79. Google

Google Mussolini execution public square. Then click on images.

[Caliman73]

80. Unfortunately, I agree with your assessment.

He will bail for some excuse and will claim victory. He may run into trouble in New York because there aren't any protections there that he has at the Federal level and once he leaves office. I do not expect that much more will come from the Mueller investigation if Trump does leave office. Democrats often will want to focus on "moving on", though I think that they should continue any legal action if they are in a position to do it. Trump has to be made an example of for future GOP idiots who want to use the Presidency as a personal enrichment scheme and who help adversaries in order to get money and power.

I think that Trump's brands will continue to falter and all of his "allies" will shrink back, leaving him exposed as the joke that he is. That will be what ultimately gets him. I think he will fall victim to some "mysterious accident" and be found dead as his world crumbles around him.

[workinclasszero]

81. A quick plane ride to his dacha in Mother Russia

And asylum from his capo di tutti capi Putin.

[marlakay]

82. He will start a war

Republican congress afraid of losing will back him.

Not sure what country, doesn’t matter to any of them, they are more afraid of losing power.

I wish differently but I don’t see him or republicans giving up power easily.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

83. Resignation for "health reasons" or because

he doesn't want to make America TOO great.
Tony Schwartz, the true author of Art of the Deal,
predicted trump would quit and claim victory somehow.
Imagine how much he hates that job versus how much he
would hate to quit. But the pressure will shatter him like a
banana dipped in liquid nitrogen and hit with a hammer
in high school science assembly.

[JustAnotherGen]

84. I don't think so

That doesn't mean I don't want it to be the end -

Just means I don't think the end is near yet.

[SummerSnow]

85. Bone spurs keep him up at night, time to resign.lol

[kentuck]

86. He will probably die in office...

...and lie in state in the Rotunda.