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(19,477 posts)We need to change the complexion of the Supreme Court by taking back the White House and Senate before there's another death or retirement.
Starting the amendment process is fine, but it's a long-term approach.
quartz007
(1,216 posts)Lee-Lee
(6,324 posts)Its hard to have a coherent message from the left when one side on the left is saying we respect the Second Amendment and just want resonable changes and the other side is saying Repeal the Second Amendment and Confiscate then all.
Before it was easy to say the extreme side were outliers and not representative of what most liberals thought.
This makes that more than a little more difficult, to say the least. This Ill thought out piece by him is the wet dream of the NRA for fundraising and voter mobilization.
blake2012
(1,294 posts)Then we can say, at least we didnt repeal 2nd Amendment, you lousy gun humpers
Lee-Lee
(6,324 posts)This kind of stuff being put out there doesnt help.
Im not in favor of most gun control proposals, most here know that. But dammit I want us to seeep hard in the midterms and putting this out there works against that hard.
Fla Dem
(23,673 posts)While I'm sure many on the left will agree with Justice Stephens, Democrats and the Democratic Party as a whole are not seeking repeal of the 2nd amendment.
Lee-Lee
(6,324 posts)Its all about winning the midterms.
This editorial will energize a ton on the right during a period when we dont need that.
Fla Dem
(23,673 posts)lobbyist's hair on fire. But your comment intimated that it was the left who was saying repeal and the left did not have a coherent message.
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)... appropriate to the current times and state of the 'arms' industry.
blake2012
(1,294 posts)blake2012
(1,294 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Now all we need is 2/3 of Congress and 3/4 of the states to agree with him.
moondust
(19,984 posts)They also put more hurdles between prospective gun owners and their weapons.
Australia has 28-day waiting periods, thorough background checks, and a requirement to present a "justifiable reason" to own a gun.
Unlike in the US, self-protection is not accepted as a justifiable reason to own a gun.
In the 21 years since the laws were passed, about one million semi-automatic weapons - roughly one third of the country's firearms - were sold back to the government and destroyed, nearly halving the number of gun-owning households in Australia.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-35048251
B2G
(9,766 posts)Kingofalldems
(38,458 posts)No Democrat has called for any such thing.
B2G
(9,766 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Keep movin' the goalposts!
Kingofalldems
(38,458 posts)Fla Dem
(23,673 posts)For many Dems it would be political suicide. But give it another 10 years and you might see some major changes.
blake2012
(1,294 posts)Too easy
B2G
(9,766 posts)Just over a month.
So you're saying we should embrace this point of view?
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)and opposed requiring insurance companies to insure for maternity related care and childbirth.
and to top it off has posted in support of anti-choice laws in various states.
JI7
(89,250 posts)peggysue2
(10,829 posts)the far side of the spectrum which counterbalances the extreme of the gun cultists. But where true change will come? Is from the middle.
You do not see the March for Our Lives people or the Moms of Sandy Hook calling for the repeal of the 2nd Amendment. They're demanding reform and regulation, particularly on military-grade weapons in the hands of private citizens. They're calling along with 91% of the American public for universal background checks and with the 70-80% calling for closing loopholes, for mental health alerts. There's now a 60+% approval for banning all assault, military-grade weaponry.
It's pushing the wheel forward with sustained peaceful activism. It's changing minds slowly, more slowly than we'd like, but surely.
The NRA and the gun fetishists know this. That's why they're screeching; their day of reckoning is coming.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)That we are going to have several more Las Vegas, Sandy Hook and Parkland type slaughters before the heat becomes so intense that there will be no choice but to make some guns unavailable. I just don't think that we are there yet, sadly. Parkland has rattled supporters of guns for everyone, that is why they are attacking the Parkland kids in personal ways.
One regional superstore (Fred Meyer) has decided to completely stop selling guns in it's stores. There will be more retailers doing that after the next tragedy, sadly it will take another tragedy for momentum to shift toward complete banning of some types of guns.
peggysue2
(10,829 posts)None of this is going to happen quickly, regardless of how effective the March for Our Lives students have been redirecting the national conversation. Moms for Sandy Hook, Moms Demand Action have been working tirelessly for the last 5 years and the needle has only just started to move in a positive way. And that was after twenty babies were torn to pieces!
You're undoubtedly right: there will be more tragedy and senseless death. But each push forward is a push for a better future with less violence and fewer guns. The Parkland kids have given the country something to hope for and that's a good thing. Despite the obstacles.
MyNameGoesHere
(7,638 posts)Plenty of educating to follow.
Mike Nelson
(9,956 posts)...had not retired... but I don't think now is the time to promote this idea.
aikoaiko
(34,170 posts)I wonder if he is on th NRA payroll because they couldnt ask for better propoganda fodder.
Sadly I see many Democrats eating it up but it will be used against us as the party of gun restrictions in 2018 and 2020.