BTW, several states have joined to file suit over census citizenship question

[deminks]

New Jersey to join lawsuit over census citizenship question

https://www.northjersey.com/story/news/new-jersey/2018/03/27/new-jersey-join-lawsuit-over-census-citizenship-question/462383002/

New Jersey will join a multi-state lawsuit challenging the federal government's move to add a question about citizenship to the next census, Attorney General Gurbir S. Grewal announced Tuesday.

"Notwithstanding the Administration's rhetoric, we don't need a citizenship question on the 2020 census. And the reality is that such a question would only do harm,'' he said in a statement. "Particularly, in the current national climate, a citizenship question will obviously cause great consternation and discourage participation in the census.

"That lack of participation will inevitably have far-reaching, negative effects — particularly in New Jersey, where we have the third largest percentage of immigrants in the country."

(snip)

The impending multi-state lawsuit, which is led by the New York's attorney general, will name the U.S. Department of Commerce and the U.S. Census Bureau as defendants, according to Grewal's statement.

The complaint will challenge the addition of the citizenship question as a violation of the U.S. Constitution, and assert that such a question threatens the fair representation of states with large immigrant communities in Congress and the Electoral College, as well as cost states billions of dollars in critical federal funds for programs like Medicaid.

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http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/380391-california-ag-to-sue-trump-administration-over-census-citizenship

California AG to sue Trump administration over census citizenship question


http://www.njherald.com/article/20180327/AP/303279831#//

The Latest: NY to lead suit challenging citizenship question


https://thebrunswicknews.com/ap/national/the-latest-massachusetts-may-join-suit-over-census-question/article_7ad73cf2-4db8-54ee-b2f2-2dfd1f459ba2.html

The Latest: Massachusetts may join suit over census question

[spanone]

1. Good News...

trump will hand the census right over to ICE

[blake2012]

2. This is great news

[procon]

3. Don't Republicans see that this will affect red states too?

They sure love the cheap immigrant labor, they like the boost to local economies when immigrants shop in their communities. They get more federal monies for schools, infrastructure, hospital services, police, first responders and other programs that ease the pull on state services.

So why would Republicans cut their nose off to spite their face, losing more federal benefits to their states than anything they might gain by scaring off immigrants from filling out census data???

[edhopper]

4. to some degree

but the census is also used to portion out local funding.
So immigrant heavy communities get less.
Win, win for the GOP.

[FakeNoose]

6. Texas and Florida would be hurt by that, and they're red states

As a matter of fact, most of the Gulf Coast states are seeing a lot of new immigration now.

This isn't a win for anybody, if people are going to lie or avoid getting counted because they don't want to say "No" for citizenship. It would be better to take it off the 2020 census and hope for better times in the 2030 census. The orange turd will be long gone by then.

[edhopper]

8. I was being sarcastic

and thinking about the GOPs bigoted mind.

[procon]

9. No, that's totally nonsensical. Many red states have huge immigrant

populations, the largest ones are:

Contemporary immigrants settle predominantly in seven states, California, New York, [bFlorida, Texas, Pennsylvania, New Jersey and Illinois...]


It isn't just blue states that depend on immigrant labor to keep their agriculture, industry, hospitality, food service, and other businesses profitable. If this lamebrained Republican plan isn't squashed in the courts, it will backfire and their states will get hurt just as badly as the Democratic held states they are trying to marginalize.

It's not a win-win, it's a lose-lose, because the blowback will have a negative impact on everyone. We will still have the immigrant populations even if this question is included in the census data, but instead of getting federal dollars to offset the costs, now it will be paid for by local taxpayers... one way or the other.

[edhopper]

11. not nonsense

sarcasm

[Lee-Lee]

5. Its a new form of gerrymandering

If you can lower the count in blue states you may shift some seats in the House to red states.

If you lower the count in urban areas you get to move more of those districts into redder suburbs to get the same amount, making them more competitive for Repugs.

Funding on everything from Medicaid to education to highways that is allocated by population yes shifted for more for red states.

[FakeNoose]

7. It would hurt the red states too, including Florida and Texas

Once they figure this out, they'll be as much against it as we are.

[blake2012]

13. no. it would creat undercounts in more urban areas and tilt white representation higher than it

should be. this would be an injury to our democracy not only the federal level but also the state level.

[Blue_true]

15. Good point.

Even in blue states, it will cause redrawn districts that increase the power of rural districts. BUT, that may backfire on republicans, because only citizens can vote, the new districts will include a higher percentage of city and Surburban voters relative to the rural one.

I believe the poster is right, the primary effect will potentially be decreased state monies to states with big immigrant populations. This is why we need a democratic Congress and a democratic President in 2021, that is when the funds will be distributed to states, so the President and congress can set a distribution formula that is fair.

[blake2012]

16. yes. that's another issue--federal $$

[Adrahil]

10. Just answer the question "fuck off Trump."

[blake2012]

12. this question has not appeared on the US Census since NINETEEN FIFTY!!!!!!!! these fuckers need to

burn. I hope the courts pay attention to the wrongs that would be inflicted by most definitely creating an undercount situation in all states.

[Blue_true]

14. For the doubters, this is why democrats need to hold state offices.

Did you see a SINGLE republican led state on that list? My guess is that Oregon, Washington and Hawaii will join, but NO red states will, eventhough most benefit from the question being removed.