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I see those Evangelist on the tv try to compare trump to King David because of his sexual indiscretions. But, where is his bravery as a youth in slaying Goliath? There is a youth that is now slaying giants with tweets rather than a rock and a sling. Looks like has already mortally injured two giants, FOX and the NRA and perhaps next will be a president. The best part he even has the name David, David Hogg.
Naw, they'll never see it.
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)The language is circumspect, but there's clearly an implication that David and Jonathan were more than just best buddies.
FakeNoose
(32,777 posts)... and you, Cheeto, are no King David. For starters your hands are too small.
safeinOhio
(32,727 posts)I got to see that statue and the real one inside the building. It has huge hands.
Yavin4
(35,446 posts)I don't recall David saying, "sorry fellas, I gotta sit this one out. My foot is killing me."
Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)BUT...
The conflict here is that David was mostly good, who sinned and then regretted it. He was punished severely for marrying Bathsheba.
Moses sinned too, and was not allowed to enter the Holy Land.
Humans are flawed, this much we know. However, Moses and David still did mostly good.
Trump revels in his debauchery. Therein lies the difference
Archae
(46,354 posts)Now this is according to the Bible itself.
And who knows how much is pure fiction, and how much is not?
David was punished severely? No.
His CHILD was fucking murdered by God.
Talk about a God with lousy aim...
And Moses was a vicious murderous Nazi.
He threw a royal (literally) tantrum and beat a guy to death, then ran way.
He had all the males, men and boys of a rival tribe slaughtered, along with any non-virgin women.
And he gave virgin women to his goons to be slaves.
Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)I don't agree with your perspective
Igel
(35,359 posts)Looked great, according to the story, tall and bold. He did great things. But he was popularly elected as leader. He flattered the people. He was an ass.
David gave all the credit to his god, and is deemed a good king as a result of actions dependent upon his faith. That's the center of the narrative for David. Humility, meekness, dependence on God. He was not popularly elected. He had a moral center and tried to be good, so often did unpopular things. In the end, he did a much better job even though he also made some serious screw ups.
The evangelist made the mistake in order to justify what he wanted to say. This isn't uncommon, we tend to overlook what doesn't fit the narrative we want to propound. And most speakers like to flatter the people--even in correcting their listeners, they still manage to say how great their followers are and how much better than the others (who are, of course, pure evil and baby killers ... one of the anti-Semitic tropes).
It doesn't help that few modern American preachers cite much of the OT besides some stories they learned in Sunday school or seminary, except for what's cited in the NT. In some cases they find a snippet here or there to uphold their cultural biases. Mostly they preach from the hymnal. (And please, we typically lower-case common nouns, unlike German and some DUers.)
Hogg is Saul, if not Jeroboam. Trump's much more Saul-like.
safeinOhio
(32,727 posts)a Red Letter Bible so they can quote what Jesus says on any subject, if they are going to call themselves Christians. They seem to use OT and Paul for their loop holes.
You make very good points.
csziggy
(34,138 posts)Thomas Jefferson took all the quotes from Jesus and put them into a separate volume. He left out the miracles, since Jefferson did not believe in them, and left in all the things attributed to Jesus by the writers of the New Testament.
Thanks to an extensive restoration process, the public can now see how Jefferson created his own version of the Scripture
By Owen Edwards
Smithsonian Magazine | Subscribe
January 2012
Thomas Jefferson, together with several of his fellow founding fathers, was influenced by the principles of deism, a construct that envisioned a supreme being as a sort of watchmaker who had created the world but no longer intervened directly in daily life. A product of the Age of Enlightenment, Jefferson was keenly interested in science and the perplexing theological questions it raised. Although the author of the Declaration of Independence was one of the great champions of religious freedom, his belief system was sufficiently out of the mainstream that opponents in the 1800 presidential election labeled him a howling Atheist.
In fact, Jefferson was devoted to the teachings of Jesus Christ. But he didnt always agree with how they were interpreted by biblical sources, including the writers of the four Gospels, whom he considered to be untrustworthy correspondents. So Jefferson created his own gospel by taking a sharp instrument, perhaps a penknife, to existing copies of the New Testament and pasting up his own account of Christs philosophy, distinguishing it from what he called the corruption of schismatizing followers.
The second of the two biblical texts he produced is on display through May 28 at the Albert H. Small Documents Gallery of the Smithsonian National Museum of American History (NMAH) after a year of extensive repair and conservation. Other aspects of his life and work have taken precedence, says Harry Rubenstein, chair and curator of the NMAH political history division. But once you know the story behind the book, its very Jeffersonian.
Jefferson produced the 84-page volume in 1820six years before he died at age 83bound it in red leather and titled it The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth. He had pored over six copies of the New Testament, in Greek, Latin, French and King James English. He had a classic education at [the College of] William & Mary, Rubenstein says, so he could compare the different translations. He cut out passages with some sort of very sharp blade and, using blank paper, glued down lines from each of the Gospels in four columns, Greek and Latin on one side of the pages, and French and English on the other.
Read more: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/arts-culture/how-thomas-jefferson-created-his-own-bible-5659505/#Apdm74FezesdV1GP.99
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,714 posts)Sending the husband of a woman he had an affair with to get killed in war to hide his shame seems like something Trump would do. The comparison ends there.