Trump: 'We're going to be guarding our border with the military' until wall complete

[spanone]

(CNN)President Donald Trump said Tuesday that he's calling on the military to guard the US-Mexico border until his long-promised border wall is complete.

"I told Mexico, and I respect what they did, I said, look, your laws are very powerful, your laws are very strong. We have very bad laws for our border and we are going to be doing some things, I spoke with (Defense Secretary James) Mattis, we're going to do some things militarily. Until we can have a wall and proper security, we're going to be guarding our border with the military. That's a big step," he said during a luncheon with leaders of the Baltic states.

He continued: "We cannot have people flowing into our country illegally, disappearing, and by the way never showing up for court."

Trump has privately floated the idea of funding construction of a border wall with Mexico through the US military budget in conversations with advisers, two sources confirmed to CNN last week. His remarks Tuesday come on the heels of multiple days of hardline immigration rhetoric from the Trump White House, with the President calling on Congress to pass strict border laws in a series of tweets beginning Sunday.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/03/politics/trump-border-wall-military/index.html

[no_hypocrisy]

1. Wait until "the Military" meets a drug cartel or human smugglers.

Won't be pretty.

[fallout87]

3. It wouldn't be pretty for the cartels or smugglers .

[sarisataka]

10. That greatly depends

On the RoE.

[ck4829]

11. Or for someone mistaken for a cartel or smuggler

Which is what will probably happen before the US military meets an actual cartel or smuggler... especially under Trump's military.

[msongs]

4. payoffs will take care of that situation nt

[brush]

2. Fool is obsessed with the border. That's all he's got as everything else he touches turns to shit...

and causes havoc in markets worldwide.

Wish he'd just STHU and stop causing 401ks all over the country to drop.

[spanone]

5. soon he'll be sending troops to the Washington Post.

[IronLionZion]

26. Dude doesn't care about the border, it's just red meat for his supporters

to distract from his perpetual daily fuckups. This time he doesn't have advisers to talk any sense into him because they left or he fired them.

[brush]

41. Yes, absolutely.

[ginnyinWI]

56. Don Quixote tilting at windmills. n/t

[asiliveandbreathe]

6. Can You SMELLLLLLLL what S Miller has cooking????? eom

[Angry Dragon]

7. Should work well

[Iliyah]

8. No wonder why t-rump and the house GOPs want to

back track on the spending bill because this stunt is gonna cost tons of money.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

9. After Mexico elects an anti-imperialist president in July...

After Mexico elects an anti-imperialist president in July I can see relations deteriorating to such a point the U.S. sends an expeditionary force.

[workinclasszero]

12. Uh yeah

The same thought crossed my mind.

Shitler would already have US military stationed on the border so he could "liberate" the Mexican people from their leftist, democratic elected government.

[panader0]

13. Posse Comitatus says no military for this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act

[spanone]

16. yep, to the courts

[NewJeffCT]

17. yep

of course, Team Trump will try to claim they're invading

[FSogol]

21. Exactly, I feel sorry for the poor military schlub that has to explain that to Trumpy.

[brush]

60. He really know nothing...just the most ill-prepared WH occupant ever. The repugs should be ashamed..

that they put this bozo in office—and even more ashamed that they're doing nothing to save the country and the world from him.

[Lee-Lee]

24. Not really

There is a lot the military is allowed to do even under PC.

Pretty much everything but actually make an arrest or detention. As long as a Border Patrol agent does that part it’s legal for the military to do anything else in support. Set up observation points and report in crossings, drive vehicles, aid in searches of vehicles, pilot aircraft, etc.

There can be a squad with 10 Soldiers and 2 Border Control agents and as long as any arrests are made by the Bordrr Control agents it’s compiant with Posse Comitatus.

The act prohibits federal troops from “executing the law”. That generally means making arrests or forcing compliance with the law (such as something even as benign as doing traffic control can count). But they can assist LE with that in support roles.

That has been done on the border in varied amounts for decades, so the legality of it is not in question as long as they don’t move into actual execution of laws.

For example there could be Soldiers on observation points on the border who radio in that they see crossers. Then other Soldiers can drive trucks that have Border Patrol agents to the location, the Border Patrol makes the apprehension, the Soldiers drive them and the trucks back.

That essentially lets you use Military as a force multiplier that allows Border Patrol to do more with the same manpower.

[sarah FAILIN]

45. I support this.

I've been pushing it since Trump started trying to get the wall built. I see it as a way to shut the reps up long enough to get through his term without wasting money on a wall.
My plan was to use the individual states National Guard units as support during their 2 week commitment per year with each state taking turns acting as support. They could do a lot towards making the job of Border Patrol more efficient and the individual states are already going to have to pay the NG for that time so not an extra expense. I sent the idea to my Senator and Representative, but it will probably never happen

[Lee-Lee]

50. Doing it with 2 week annual training wouldn't work well

Before I go into that, it should be noted that Posse Comitatus actually wouldn’t apply to National Guard troops there in state paid orders. As long as they are paid and managed by the state they can have full arrest and law enforcement powers as much as the state wishes to give them.

That is true even if the stage uses money provided by the Feds. Case in point all the troops you saw in airports after 9/11z

However I’d down with Guard/Reserve personal doing it on 2 week annnual trainings would be inefficient. By the time you account for travel time, setting in, getting trained on the mission etc you scarcely will have time to pull more than a few days of the actual mission before it’s time to return.

In addition units now are in specific training plans in a 5 year cycle that have certain training events and milestones they have to meet along that cycle, so that would mess all that up.

If you were going to use Reserve/Guard personnel your better plan is to stand up a task force filled entirely with volunteers. Offer 179 day tours, that way it is a temporary duty and they are still assigned to a home unit. Stand up your command and control with a mix of active units assigned there full time for continuity and the 179 day tour volunteers and you have a good plan.

The 179 day your plan also let’s them screen volunteers for exactly who is needed for the mission, such as making sure a high percentage of them are Spanish speakers.

[LuckyCharms]

27. Trump thinks that Posse Comitatus is "something he can grab them by".

[IronLionZion]

29. Honey badger don't care

They'll spin it as defending America from dangerous heavily armed enemy invaders or some nonsense and accidentally shoot some innocent grandmothers.

[VOX]

14. 45 is in full paranoiac mode, and its costing a bundle.

But it appears that the R’s are okay with Nero letting Rome burn to the ground.

[Freethinker65]

15. Send Wayne LaPierre and Dana Loesch and their well regulated militia to the desert

Those real American Patriots should find the work monitoring wide expanses of vacant desert rewarding.

[Wwcd]

22. Haa. Ladt time thy tried that along the Tx border the Border Patrol told them to leave

The not so well regulated Tx gun humping militia was a freakin joke.

Please, ..just leave.

[Still In Wisconsin]

42. Great idea... and send Jared out with an air horn. When he sees a Mexican he can toot-toot his horn

and the well-regulated militia can come running with their AR-15s.

[SummerSnow]

18. He promised his base a wall, he can't deliver.

Blame the dems, blame Mexico. Pathetic

[spanone]

20. he could have had it by now. Schumer offered. Congress offered...he wants to keep the issue alive

it's the one thing that riles of that base and allows him to bash democrats

[SummerSnow]

30. He said he loves chaos

[Eliot Rosewater]

19. Like I said, he hopes he can antagonize the Mexican govt into a shooting war as he wants to KILL

all of the people there


I am about to lose it

Hey, nose holders

ARE YOU FUCKING HAPPY YET?

[Wwcd]

23. Bet many of the nose-holders either didn't vote at all or chose anyone but the one woman who

..stood between a free society & fascism.

They are happy.

[Abu Pepe]

25. Well have fun in brush country

Rick Perry did this with the Texas Guard. Then he forgot to feed them and they went to soup kitchens.

[Generic Brad]

28. Meanwhile, Canadians enter from the northern border

And people from all over make land on the East Coast, the West Coast, the Great Lakes, and the Gulf of Mexico. And don't get me started on all the people who fly in on airplanes.



Every time a Trump quote gets posted I look to see if it was humor from The Onion of Borowitz. But, nope. He's making these asinine statements for real. What a wasted use of our military resources.

[tazkcmo]

31. I think this is unconstitutional

Under Posse Comitatus Act.

[workinclasszero]

35. Constitution you say?

[C_U_L8R]

32. Posse Comitatus

Isn't that his latest stupid namecalling for Elizabeth Warren?

[The_Casual_Observer]

33. Next thing will be "guarding" California against "Antifa".

And it will spread from there. The SCOTUS will go along with it too.

[workinclasszero]

34. Part two of Shitler's plans for the US military

no doubt!

[niyad]

36. Posse Comitatus, anyone?

[Liberal In Texas]

38. As far as I've been able to find... it's illegal to deploy the military on US soil.

National Guard is another story. But if he's going to deploy the Army along the border he isn't allowed to do it.

[Lee-Lee]

43. Read my response above

It’s legal as long as the troops are not actually arresting people or otherwise executing the laws. They can observe, drive vehicles, pilot aircraft, etc.

You can have 11 Soldiers and one Border Patrol agent and as long as the Border Patrol agent is the ones who makes any arrests they are legal.

[C_U_L8R]

37. I didn't think there could be anything as stupid as Trump's Wall

Until this.

[Renew Deal]

39. He won't be president long enough to see the wall built.

[FarCenter]

40. There are a lot of surveillance capabilities that the military could deploy to identify and track

The actual arrest and detaining could be done by the Border Patrol or Coast Guard. Unless of course, drones with missiles were used instead, which would not involve the performance of police duties such as arrest.

[spanone]

48. really? are you serious?

[onecent]

44. Another post in Yahoo.com said that Dotard wants to get our policeman out there

UNTIL THE WALL IS DONE....

Realize how long that will be??????????????????/

[justgamma]

46. In his defense,

he probably doesn't know about the Border Patrol. The wingers think the border is wide open.

[spanone]

47. Ignorance when you're 'president' is no defense.

[napi21]

49. What happened to : Posse Comitatus "? Fed Gov't not permitted to use the Army in the US!

Posse Comitatus Act
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
This article is about the Posse Comitatus Act in the United States. For other uses of posse comitatus, see Posse comitatus.
Posse Comitatus Act
Great Seal of the United States
Other short titles
Knott Amendment
Posse Comitatus Act of 1878
Long title An act making appropriations for the support of the Army for the fiscal year ending June thirtieth, eighteen hundred and seventy-nine, and for other purposes.
Nicknames Army Appropriations Act of 1878
Enacted by the 45th United States Congress
Effective June 18, 1878
Citations
Public law 45-263
Statutes at Large 20 Stat. 145 aka 20 Stat. 152
Codification
U.S.C. sections created 18 U.S.C. § 1385
Legislative history
Introduced in the House as H.R. 4867 by Herman L. Humphrey (R-WI), William Kimmel (D-MD) on May 13, 1878
Passed the House on May 18, 1878 (130–117)
Passed the Senate on June 6, 1878 (36–23)
Reported by the joint conference committee on June 15, 1878; agreed to by the House on June 15, 1878 (154–58) and by the Senate on June 15, 1878 (Agreed)
Signed into law by President Rutherford B. Hayes on June 18, 1878
Major amendments
1956, 1981
The Posse Comitatus Act is a United States federal law (18 U.S.C. § 1385, original at 20 Stat. 152) signed on June 18, 1878 by President Rutherford B. Hayes. The purpose of the act – in concert with the Insurrection Act of 1807 – is to limit the powers of the federal government in using federal military personnel to enforce domestic policies within the United States. It was passed as an amendment to an army appropriation bill following the end of Reconstruction, and was subsequently updated in 1956 and 1981.

The Act only specifically applies to the United States Army and, as amended in 1956, the United States Air Force. While the Act does not explicitly mention the United States Navy and the United States Marine Corps, the Department of the Navy has prescribed regulations that are generally construed to give the Act force with respect to those services as well. The Act does not apply to the Army National Guard and the Air National Guard under state authority from acting in a law enforcement capacity within its home state or in an adjacent state if invited by that state's governor. The United States Coast Guard, which operates under the Department of Homeland Security, is not covered by the Posse Comitatus Act either, primarily because although the Coast Guard is an armed service, it also has both a maritime law enforcement mission and a federal regulatory agency mission.

The title of the act comes from the legal concept of posse comitatus, the authority under which a county sheriff, or other law officer, conscripts any able-bodied man to assist her or him in keeping the peace.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act

[NCTraveler]

51. I would love to see a joint force....

With Border Patrol taking the lead. The human element is important. I’m all for secure borders. The wall is bullshit and nothing more than symbolism.

Border Patrol and the military have the tools, infrastructure and people.

[duforsure]

52. Remember

I believe it was around March of 2015 President Obama was calling on Congress to approve more border funding which they completely refused to do.

[ProudMNDemocrat]

53. Better put the Military on the Northern Border.....

As well. Keep the Canadians, the European Socialists, etc.

[Demsrule86]

54. That would be illegal.

[spanone]

55. He's slightly changed his tune since yesterday...now he's saying the 'National Guard'

[Luz]

57. But his base want snipers and machine guns to kill any

invaders. How's he gonna balance that bait and switch.

[Demsrule86]

59. His base is as stupid as he is...so they will swallow whatever lie he invents.

But now these trade policies are going hurt red states. It will be interesting to see what happens...my guess is that when it comes to the pocketbook, we may see some peel away.

[Demsrule86]

58. That would be costly and who will pay for it?