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babylonsister

(171,065 posts)
Fri Apr 6, 2018, 06:55 AM Apr 2018

Mueller Has Evidence Contradicting Erik Prince's Testimony About Russia Meeting



https://www.thedailybeast.com/mueller-has-evidence-contradicting-erik-princes-testimony-about-russia-meeting?ref=home

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Mueller Has Evidence Contradicting Erik Prince's Testimony About Russia Meeting


Special Counsel Robert Mueller has obtained evidence which raises doubts over Erik Prince's testimony about his meeting with a Vladimir Putin confidante, sources have told ABC News. Prince, a prominent Trump supporter and founder of Blackwater, described his meeting with a Russian financier in the Seychelles last year as a chance meeting "over a beer." However, a key witness in the Mueller investigation, businessman George Nader, has reportedly told investigators that he set up the meeting between Prince and Russian sovereign wealth fund CEO Kirill Dmitriev days before Trump was inaugurated. Documents obtained by Mueller suggest that before and after Prince met Nader in New York, a week before the trip to the Seychelles, Nader shared information with Prince about Dmitriev, contradicting Prince's version of events. "I didn't fly there to meet any Russian guy," Prince told the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence in November, claiming the United Arab Emirates officials he met there unexpectedly introduced him to Dmitriev.
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Mueller Has Evidence Contradicting Erik Prince's Testimony About Russia Meeting (Original Post) babylonsister Apr 2018 OP
Don't just lock him up.... OnDoutside Apr 2018 #1
K&R BlueJac Apr 2018 #2
Oh My! What a surprise malaise Apr 2018 #3
He should have been in jail already over the Blackwater authorized murders chuckstevens Apr 2018 #4
did Prince make statements to Mueller investigators? If not, telling fibs to a house committee beachbum bob Apr 2018 #5
We don't need hired malitias when we are spending $700 billion on defense democratisphere Apr 2018 #7
According to this article leftynyc Apr 2018 #8
a republican congress will do nothing about this...only mueller can if Prince lied to them... beachbum bob Apr 2018 #11
That's a different argument than what you leftynyc Apr 2018 #16
If you click "Read it at ABC" below the Daily Beast article, Silver Gaia Apr 2018 #10
I thought lying to Congress under True Blue American Apr 2018 #13
Best news of the week! democratisphere Apr 2018 #6
Mercenaries, Murderers for hire saidsimplesimon Apr 2018 #9
I have always suspected that Erik Prince had some connection to the server in Trump Tower? kentuck Apr 2018 #12
Prince was a Mercenary True Blue American Apr 2018 #14
Lying to Congress is a crime, regardless, but DeminPennswoods Apr 2018 #15
Ruh-roh! FakeNoose Apr 2018 #17
This man is pure evil Johnny2X2X Apr 2018 #18
Stop the winning....I can't take any more winning! (n/t) Moostache Apr 2018 #19
at this rate, a special prison needs to be built to house all these assholes. nt Javaman Apr 2018 #20
K & R mountain grammy Apr 2018 #21
At this point, I'm starting to think Volaris Apr 2018 #22
I didn't read the entire article, I hope he was under oath. George II Apr 2018 #23
Prince is kind of a local celebrity gibraltar72 Apr 2018 #24
 

chuckstevens

(1,201 posts)
4. He should have been in jail already over the Blackwater authorized murders
Fri Apr 6, 2018, 07:03 AM
Apr 2018

But hey; like Al Capone going to jail for not paying his taxes, I will take Erik Prince going to jail for anything they can nail him on.

 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
5. did Prince make statements to Mueller investigators? If not, telling fibs to a house committee
Fri Apr 6, 2018, 07:04 AM
Apr 2018

not covered under perjury of lying to federal investigators....Now if Prince made same statements to Mueller's team , then we have a "Martha Steward" moment and the guy will serve prison time....and hopefully not be able to have future govt contracts as a convicted felon.

democratisphere

(17,235 posts)
7. We don't need hired malitias when we are spending $700 billion on defense
Fri Apr 6, 2018, 07:10 AM
Apr 2018

and our own troops do an unbelievable job!

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
8. According to this article
Fri Apr 6, 2018, 07:37 AM
Apr 2018

you can go to jail for lying to congress even if you're not under oath

https://www.cnn.com/2017/07/24/politics/penalty-for-lying-to-congress/index.html

Federal law makes it a crime to "knowingly and willfully" give "materially" false statements to Congress, even if unsworn -- which is not to be confused with the more general crime of perjury for lying under oath.
The consequences for either crime are serious: one can face up to five years in prison.
Like many criminal statutes, however, proving a witness "knowingly" sought to mislead sets a high bar for prosecution -- meaning the omission can't be merely a mistake or accident. And the "materiality" requirement means the false statement has to actually matter -- i.e., a tendency to influence the listener.
While it is rare to see charges filed for lying to Congress, there is precedent.
John M. Poindexter, President Ronald Reagan's national security adviser, was sentenced to prison for lying to Congress about key details of the Iran-Contra affair.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
16. That's a different argument than what you
Fri Apr 6, 2018, 08:19 AM
Apr 2018

saying before - your claim was it wasn't a crime. I was merely pointing out that yes, it is.

Silver Gaia

(4,544 posts)
10. If you click "Read it at ABC" below the Daily Beast article,
Fri Apr 6, 2018, 07:45 AM
Apr 2018

there's a more complete article (their source) where you'll find this: "'I didn't fly there to meet any Russian guy,' Prince told the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence in November." So, yeah, no perjury charges. Sadly.

saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
9. Mercenaries, Murderers for hire
Fri Apr 6, 2018, 07:44 AM
Apr 2018

Mr. Mueller has the support of many respected leaders of the formerly Republican Party, now wrapped in Tea Party and other alt right influences.

kentuck

(111,095 posts)
12. I have always suspected that Erik Prince had some connection to the server in Trump Tower?
Fri Apr 6, 2018, 08:03 AM
Apr 2018

And is much more involved than anyone has suspected up to this point.

There was a suggestion a couple of years ago that he and his mercenaries should take over for American troops in either Syria or Afghanistan and that he could do the job for billions less.

I think he has been in Trump Org for quite some time, even before his meeting in the Seychelles.

He is a much larger player in the financial part of this Russian scandal, in my opinion.

DeminPennswoods

(15,286 posts)
15. Lying to Congress is a crime, regardless, but
Fri Apr 6, 2018, 08:12 AM
Apr 2018

I'm sure Prince told the same lie to Mueller's team. The precedent has already been set with others charged with and pleading guilty to lying to the FBI/Mueller. VanDerZwann gets to spend a month in jail for doing it, got fired from his law firm and the felony conviction will cost him his law license.

Prince will end up pleading guilty or be convicted of the same charge. That felony conviction means Prince will have to surrender all his precious guns and his business will likely be barred from getting anymore DoD or other gov't business.

FakeNoose

(32,639 posts)
17. Ruh-roh!
Fri Apr 6, 2018, 08:35 AM
Apr 2018

Major rightwing perpetrator LIED to special investigator. Is anyone surprised at that?
Can anyone name a time when these guys haven't lied?



Johnny2X2X

(19,066 posts)
18. This man is pure evil
Fri Apr 6, 2018, 08:38 AM
Apr 2018

As someone from West Michigan, I can say for certain, Erik Prince is without a doubt an evil person. His world view is utterly sick.

Volaris

(10,271 posts)
22. At this point, I'm starting to think
Fri Apr 6, 2018, 09:21 AM
Apr 2018

That if these guys had a giant robot this would be an Avengers movie. Theres enough shady shit and dirty players in here to make fuckin Hydra jealous.

gibraltar72

(7,504 posts)
24. Prince is kind of a local celebrity
Fri Apr 6, 2018, 09:40 AM
Apr 2018

in my area. He went to Hillsdale College where they know what to do with inconvenient women. Also served as a firefighter. He should have been locked up long ago for war crimes. Hope it is now his turn in the barrel.

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